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Did you know... that despite being persecuted as a convert to Judaism in Nazi Germany, Ernst von Manstein was given a full military funeral with uniformed SS pallbearers?
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I presume the speedy keep was justified by the following official reason: The article is currently linked from the Main Page. In such cases, please wait until the link is no longer on the Main Page before nominating the article. If the problem is urgent, consensus should be gained at WP:ERRORS to remove the link before nominating for deletion. I presume that means I can propose deletion tomorrow but do let me know if that is not the case. Jontel (talk) 10:11, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
At a time when many German middle-class jews converted to Christianity in order to assimilate into German society, it was absolutely extraordinary that a person of ancient nobility - a Baron von Manstein - did it the other way round. This was not only a religious but also a risky political statement which required a distinguished character (see the dissertation project listed at the end of this page in German). His family just had to disown him for that inacceptable Faux pas. To me, the "lack of notability" seems rather a lack of knowledge about the historical circumstances in which the conversion took place. The only problem I see in this article is the existence of an even more notable Ernst von Manstein (1794-1876) - the Prussian Lieutenant General who fought in the German Campaign of 1813 among others. --Kolya (talk) 15:09, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this individual is notable, and his article tells of an important episode of the holocaust. Very few German nobles converted to Judaism at that time. The issue of Prussian Lieutenant General Ernst von Manstein (1794-1876) can be resolved by a disambiguation page. By the way, references 2 and 4 in the article itself are identical. That source should not be listed twice.Gregorybard (talk) 00:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
