Talk:Erin Phillips/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Birthplace

"Personal" section starts with this: Phillips was born on 19 May 1985 in Carlton, Victoria. She is from South Australia., while infobox has her birthplace as Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
The infobox has no sources marked while "Carlton" has two. Seems that Carlton is a suburb of Melbourne so the infobox could be true also. But then what means "She is from South Australia"? From where in South Australia? Neither Carlton or Melbourne are in South Australia, but in Victoria. 85.217.41.106 (talk) 02:07, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

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married when gay weddings are illegal?

How is she married when gay weddings are illegal in AUS? 210.50.37.79 (talk) 06:28, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia relies on what is reported in Wikipedia:Reliable sources: she is referred to in all newspaper coverage as married, so we describe her as married regardless of your personal feelings. The Drover's Wife (talk) 10:57, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

There is a bit of bush lawyering going on! Australian editors need to remember that most readers of WP are not in Australia. For a large majority, marriage equality is legal. A good example is the USA, where it is constitutionally protected, so Phillips is married for USA readers. Furthermore, as the Drover's Wife states, we use sources here - to describe a relationship by any other terminology requires citation. Jack N. Stock (talk) 18:19, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm inclined to bypass this dispute by removing relationship status from the page. I don't think it is on any other AFLW player's article (I haven't checked them all, but not from what I remember), and not sure it is relevant on articles about people primarily known for sports. It is not the family that is notable about Phillips (plenty of people are married with children, and IVF is not unusual anymore), but the WNBA and AFLW accomplishments. Jack N. Stock (talk) 16:20, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Not a solution. Their marriage was very widely reported on in the press, and the photograph of Phillips' daughters in the inaugural Premiership cup one of the most prominent images of AFLW period to date. It is absurd to remove undisputed (in reliable sources, at least) fact because of one single-issue account who's prepared to revert a few times. The Drover's Wife (talk) 09:55, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Phillips' marriage has been the subject of multiple newspaper articles and other news reports. I fail to see the argument here. Whether you support same sex marriage or not, Phillips is legally married. She was married in the US and ordinarily resides in the US, a jurisdiction where same-sex marriage is legal. Relationship status is a routine part of biographic articles. The statement on her marriage is one sentence - it is hard to argue it is being given undue weight. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 21:56, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

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2004 - womens match or mixed?

A recent edit changed her 2004 Australian Rules appearance from the "Slowdown" charity match, to a womens only match. I don't think that is correct. "Certainly after twenty years out of the game. Although, Erin did play in 2004 in the “Slowdown” charity match for the Little Hero’s foundation." [1]. Yet this link [2] says "Her last competitive Australian Football hit-out was in a women’s Crows v Power match in 2004." She could have played in two games, but I suspect one of the links is wrong. Adpete (talk) 08:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

And no sign of her in this video [3], but that was the 2004 State of Origin slowdown. There was also a Crows v Power West End Slowdown that year. Adpete (talk) 22:03, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) 10:56, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Picking this one up. Review to follow. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:56, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Comments

Not much to say here. I think the article is fine as it is, and hope to see it at FAC. I have some typos and what not :

Trophy as a member of the under-16s championship team in 1999.[9][10] Phillips was also a member of the South Australia under-20s championship team in 2004 You don't need the s after the numerals here.
- Fixed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Link Lotos Gydnia to Arka Gdynia (women's basketball) in the infobox (It's already linked in the article.)
- Fixed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
They lost both of their finals to the Dandenong Rangers and the Canberra Capitals This is awkward. Consider rephrasing. Suggest something like: "They lost both their finals; the semifinal to the Dandenong Rangers, and then the preliminary final to the Canberra Capitals".
- Reworded. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:14, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Suggest splitting the paragraph after footnote 19
Phillips ranks in the top ten all-time for the Adelaide Lightning Suggest adding <nowiki>As of 2019^[update]
- Added. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
However, Phillips never played for the team due to injury and the franchise dissolved at the end of their first season due to financial difficulties.[21] Phillips ranks in the top ten all-time for the Adelaide Lightning in points Replace Phillips with "she" here.
Eastern Conference Semifinals I don't think the S needs to be capitalised
- The capitalization is an American thing. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Phillps scored at least 10 points You misspelt her name here.
- Fixed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Seven years later, Phillips had planned to return to the WNBL for the 2015–16 season. Tense is out of whack here. Delete "had".
- Removed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Australia women's national basketball team, the Opals, "Australian"
- Fixed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Australia finished as silver medalists Spelling error: should be "medallists"
- Fixed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
She decided to play the full season because she thought it was better preparation and she wanted to honor her contract with the Indiana Fever "honour"
- Fixed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Opals's should be "Opals'" since it is plural.
- Fixed. That's what happens when you write too many articles on people whose last names end in 's'. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
defense "defence"
- Fixed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Western Bulldogs's Again, the s is not needed here.
- Fixed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Phillips struggled with a right quad injury Link quad to Quadriceps tendon?
- Added. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Adelaide lost both of the those games without Phillips to Brisbane and Melbourne. Suggest " Adelaide lost both of the those games without Phillips, to Brisbane and Melbourne respectively."
- Reworded. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:14, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
After Round 6, the AFLW cancelled the remainder of the home-and-away season in favor of starting the finals early "favour"
- Fixed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 05:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
She also made the All-Australian team for the second time You didn't mention the first time in the 2017 section.
. Feel free to ignore. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:49, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Hawkeye7! Especially for the Australian English conversions. My original plan was to take this to FAC, but I wasn't sure about the quality of sources available. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:17, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

The sources look fine to me. I have some minor bits about them:

I have made some fixes to the references. The main one is where "Australian Broadcasting Company" was used instead of "Australian Broadcasting Corporation". (aka Auntie ABC) Also for some reason, the Adelaide Advertiser, the main newspaper of Adelaide was "Adelaide Now". I tweaked the references so they are the way that the FAC likes them (ducks for cover). I had a decision to make as to whether to file Phillips under basketball or football. In the end I chose football. (Did you see the episode of Open Mike where where Mike Sheahan and Kate Sheehan interviewed Greg Phillips and Erin together?) Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:04, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Hawkeye7, I'm about to put the article up at FAC. Hoping for the best! Sportsfan77777 (talk) 11:44, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
I didn't see that episode. I can't find it online. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 11:44, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
[4] Hawkeye7 (discuss) 11:53, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Alpha photo shoot

I was a bit surprised this was promoted to FA without mentioning Phillips' 2008 Alpha photo shoot which got a fair bit of coverage - e.g. [5]. Is it worth putting in the article? Should there be a separate section on modeling? St Anselm (talk) 06:05, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Done I've added a bit (under "personal life") but there wasn't actually much in reliable sources except for the article I've referenced. St Anselm (talk) 22:16, 28 August 2022 (UTC)