Talk:Erida

(Eris & Erida)

(Not two goddesses)

The relationship between Eris and Erida --Eleassar ^{my talk} 17:12, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

• What Eleassar linked to still stands at Talk:Eris (mythology):

== Eris versus Erida ==

Greek speakers know well that Eris (Έρις) and Erida (Έριδα) are different forms of the same name. They are not different goddesses. “Eris” is the nominative form of the name. Its genitive form is “Eridos” and its accusative form is “Erida”. In Modern Greek, however, the nominative form is also “Erida”. I suppose that this fact caused this confusion. Such a variation of the nominative form of nouns between Modern and Ancient Greek is very common. “Eris” is still used in Modern Greek but it sounds a bit archaistic. Actually, in Modern Greek, “erida” is the actual word that we use for strife. Fanis 14:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much for this explanation. I just stumbled upon this when I was considering in Slovenian Wikipedia whether to move Eris the dwarf planet to Erida or not. All other names approved by the IAU have their Slovenian equivalents: for example Pluton for Pluto, Neptun for Neptune and so on. Now I think the case is clear: the name of this celestial body should be written as Erida and not as Eris in Slovenian, as the goddess of discord is usually called Erida in our language and this is not a mistake. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 14:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

What Eleassar did a few minutes before was add to

* In Greek mythology, a minor goddess, the goddess of hate.

this sentence:

The relationship between Erida and Eris, the goddess of discord, is uncertain [1].

Of course, what Fanis offered is OR to us. On the other hand, it serves to explain, e.g., the lack of mention of Erida in A Handbook of Greek Mythology, Including Its Extension to Rome by H. J. Rose, where Eris finds mention in 5 passages -- one more or less genealogical and the others concerning her role in bringing about the Judgement of Paris. Thus we have a need for verification of the claim that Erida is not Eris.
--Jerzy•t 17:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Sources?

?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lily20 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

• What?? Well, fairly clearly, in light of her edits over the succeeding 10 minutes which primarily substituted

• Erida, in Greek mythology, a goddess personifying hatred

References:
1. Stewart, Michael. "Erida", Greek Mythology: From the Iliad to the Fall of the Last Tyrant. http://messagenetcommresearch.com/myths/bios/erida.html (November 14, 2005)

for

* Erida, the goddess of love and hate

Lily meant roughly

I've got a reference saying she's just hate, and there was no ref here when i arrived, so everyone stop changing what i agree with.

At About this Site, however, we learn, about the author of Lily's ref, that

Michael Stewart is a free-lance writer and resides in Arlington, Virginia. His interest and obsession with Greek mythology began over a decade ago and has blossomed into the web site you see before you. He holds no college degrees which would allow him to teach the subject but he is a meticulous researcher and justifies his credibility by providing the sources for the information he presents. ...

I.e., self-trained and (the polar opposite of peer-reviewed) essentially Web-self-published. We could trade gut feelings about whether apparent amateur status (something different from each of the preceding) weighs significantly, but it seems clear that Lily's source is not what we have in mind when we require "reliable, published source[s]" for V.
--Jerzy•t 17:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Current bottom line

We have verification that Eris represents at least "discord"; we have not verified either that Erida is a separate goddess nor that Erida is a mistaken name for Eris. (Note that 718 Erida is named after Erida Leuschner, daughter of the astronomer Armin Otto Leuschner, so there's no reason to expect that asteroid to lead to evidence on the supposed goddess Erida.)
To me, it's clear that we should have neither a Dab entry nor an article for Erida in any goddess context, until we have verification from reliable published sources of either a second goddess or Erida as an inflection of Eris.
--Jerzy•t 17:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)