Talk:Eric Carr

What is the irony?

"Ironically, he died on the same day as Queen lead singer Freddie Mercury." I'm sorry, but I fail to see the irony in two famous people dying on the same day. --Grumpy444grumpy 12:51, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• • There is nothing "ironic" or "bizarre" about Carr dying on the same day as Mercury. This is Eric Carr's article, not Freddie Mercury's, therefore Mercury's death is not relavent to Carr's in any way, shape, or form. It is trivial information at best, and as such, is listed in the trivia section of the article. It's not ironic that two people died on the same day, it happens all the time and will continue to do so. That being said, there is no possible way that we could list all of the people who "ironically" died on the same day as Carr did. Darwin's Bulldog 21:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

• • • Two 'people' dying on the same day, sure, that happens all the time. Two 'rock stars?' That 'doesn't' happen every day. It's an interesting little fact that I've always found fun to mention.

• • • • Then why isn't it mentioned in Freddie Mercury's page? Darwin's Bulldog 17:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• Maybe it should read "Coincidentally" instead of "Ironically"? What do others think? Jonesy 01:27, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

• • I have no problem with mentioning Mercury's death in the article, but I don't think it should be made out as if it was such a big deal. I personally feel that it is trivial information and that it potentially detracts from Carr's page when included as a fact. On the other hand, it would be beneficial to the reader if Mercury's death was mentioned in such a way that his death eclipsed Carr's as far as media attention goes, so maybe that's how it should be included. Darwin's Bulldog 19:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Angry Rolling Stone letter

Sometime after Eric Carr's death, either Gene or Paul from Kiss wrote an angry letter to Jann Wenner of Rolling Stone magazine about Rolling Stone's failure to report the story. Someone should find this and add it to this article. --ThomasIrvin 17:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

It's here: http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1992-03-13/features/9201280207_1_eric-carr-kiss-stone 187.67.10.112 (talk) 05:29, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Won't Get Fooled Again

During the Crazy Nights tour, KISS played a cover of The Who's song "Won't Get Fooled Again". From my understanding, Paul Stanley, Gene Simmons and Eric Carr each sang a verse. Can anyone verify this? Darwin's Bulldog 04:28, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

right and wrong.

I saw the "Crazy Nights" tour stop in Peoria, Illinois and KISS did NOT perform this song, however...

I saw KISS perform "Won't Get Fooled Again" on 1985's ASYLUM tour. I have the ticket stub dated Wednesday January 22, 1986 at the Rockford, Illinois METROCENTRE. W.A.S.P. opened for them, and, the rumor was, KISS would be throwing in The Who's "Baba O'Riley" sometime during the show. However, it turned out to be "Won't Get Fooled Again" and yes, Paul, Gene, and Eric each took a verse. I also have 35mm pictures of them performing this song with huge strips of confetti floating down from the rafters. It wasn't the very last song, but it was very close to the end of the concert, and impressive... something I will never forget. 70ozzy 03:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)70ozzy

User box for The Fox

What else can I say, but it's freakin' awsome!!! Darwin's Bulldog 01:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

{{User:UBX/User KISS fox}}

My favorite KISS character is The Fox.

Transclusions

Trivia Section

Okay, I've been trying to incorporate information from the trivia section into the main article, but someone keeps putting information back into the trivia section. In an effort to clean this page up, I'm temporarily moving the trivia section here so that it's information can be incorporated into the main article. Let's do this right guys! Having a huge trivia section is a cheap way to write an article. Darwin's Bulldog 09:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

• Eric played bass on "I Still Love You" from Creatures of the Night.
• Eric claimed "Detroit Rock City" was the hardest song for him to learn on the "double bass drums" he was famous for playing since Peter played with one bass drum while in KISS.
• Eric came up with "The Fox" character himself as he claimed in a interview in 1990 (even though former KISS wardrobe manager Pixie Esmonde claims that former KISS manager Bill Aucoin came up with the Fox make-up) when he wasn't thrilled with the "The Hawk" character that was first offered to him claiming the stage outfit looked too much "like a big yellow bird, like Big Bird." He showed his new Fox make-up design to Gene backstage before his first show with the band and Gene liked what Eric had in mind and supported his new image for The Fox.
• A character design reportedly created by manager Bill Aucoin (some sources claim it was actually Paul Stanley) called "The Hawk" was also briefly considered for Eric when he originally joined the band.
• Until Tommy Thayer replaced Ace Frehley in March 2002, Eric held the distinction of having played in a KISS lineup with every lead guitarist who was an official member of the band.
• An Eric Carr solo album under the KISS banner was planned as a project, as an extension of the 1978 releases of four solo albums by KISS members. Such an album was never produced, but the painting by Eraldo Carugati commissioned for use as an album cover was later given to Eric's family.
• The other members of KISS were hit hard with grief over Carr, and In his book KISS and Sell, author and band employee C. K. Lendt observes that any access that fans had to the band "slammed shut" after Eric's death.
• Although Carr rarely sang lead on any of KISS's albums, he did contribute lead vocals to the songs "Black Diamond", "Young and Wasted" and a verse of "Won't Get Fooled Again"with Paul and Gene at concerts. Also, his song "Little Caesar" was played live once.
• Carr died on the same day as Queen's singer Freddie Mercury.
• Curiously, Carr's death was not reported in Rolling Stone. In response, Gene Simmons, Paul Stanley and Bruce Kulick rebuked the magazine for their decision in a letter they wrote to editor Jann Wenner. The letter was published in Rolling Stone in 1992.
• In the early 80's Eric had allowed a female photographer shoot him nude in a bathtub,she claimed the photos wouldn't be published,but they ended up being published. The photo appears in the pages of KISSTORY.
• In Eric's drum solo for the Hot in the Shade Tour he sampled The Who's Who Are You on his electronic drum pads.
• Eric sent his bio,photographs,and demo tapes to KISS'managenment office in a bright orange folder and envelope hoping it would "stand out" from the rest.
• Eric claimed he asked Gene,Paul,and Ace for their autographs after he met the band for his audition, he also said he kept correcting them on song parts like they had forgotten how to play the songs over the years.
• Eric was first introduced to fans on television appearing on ABC's Kid's Are People Too which aired on September 21st 1980.
• Eric was a born left handed person, but learned the drums in the right handed fasion along with guitar and bass. Eric also played the piano.
• Eric claimed in a 1985 interview when then-KISS lead guitarist Mark St. John was in the band, Gene Simmons offered to let Mark play bass on a song in the studio. Upon the end of the jam, Eric told Mark that it sounded like he made a mistake with a note since he knew guitar and bass. In anger, Mark in turn said to Eric "What do you know, you're just a fucking drummer!" Eric said he wanted to "kill" Mark for the comment, so after they cooled down, Gene, Eric and Paul "let Mark have it."

This is total BS. Gene Simmons was gone for the majority of the Animalize sessions filming Runaway in Vancouver, so I find it tough to swallow Gene "offered" MSJ the chance to play bass on a song from Animalize. Paul, who produced the album, was left to basically record the album with little input from Gene, notwithstanding the "Associate Producer" credit Gene got for the record. Paul himself and others (Jean Beauvior in particular having been credited on the Box Set) played bass on the album as wella s Gene. BUt I have reservations believeing Gene "offered" MSJ such a chance, considering Gene has, at times, not played bass on KISS albums anyway. In any event, the story just doesn't add up. Find a credilble source and I'll belive it. Deuce1231 (talk) 03:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

• Members of the band Slaughter admitted that it was Eric Carr who asked Gene and Paul to take them out with KISS on the Hot in the Shade Tour in 1990, claiming he enjoyed their debut album Stick It To Ya. He also befriended drummer Blas Elias. After Eric's passing Slaughter wrote and recorded The Wild Life album which was dedicated to his memory along with Freddie Mercury.The song Days Gone By was dedicated to both artist as well.

While the trivia section is interesting, unless reliable sources are cited, then it is useless. After verification, take the facts (they may no longer be trivial and may show the person's character and achievements) and add them to the article. CrestedDragon (talk) 14:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

NPOV

It's fairly obvious that fans of Eric Carr have written this article. This is an encyclopedia -- not a fan site. As such it must be neutral, which this article clearly is not. It is full of subjective statements about Carr and other Kiss drummers. If in doubt, read the NPOV policy. Relrel (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

The comparisons you speak of are really but one, and actually, it's a spot-on comparison. Eric Carr was more of a hard rock drummer where Peter Criss was a jazz/swing/big band kind of drummer at heart. This is undisputed anywhere in the KISS Army, and certainly the average listener would be able to tell this. I really don't find that to be a POV problem. However, the overall tone of this article IS a bit heavy on gloss and less relaint on factual reporting. I, as a KISS fan, miss Eric Carr and would never do anything to soil his good name. But I agree this article could benefit from an encyclopedic overhaul. Deuce1231 (talk) 03:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. Here are some examples of text which could be regarded as subjective in nature: "Aside from his amazing drumming skills...", "...a favorite among drummers in the band's history, for his intense playing style and incredible timing...", "... Criss interpret many of Carr's performances ... the lack of power and musical presence." This article needs to be structured with a concise introduction that summarizes the topic. Then, as you say, the article needs an encyclopedic overhaul, not to mention the inclusion of references. This will make the article much more credible and look less like a fan page. Relrel (talk) 15:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Instead of just complaining, I decided to have a try at restructuring the article so that it gets a proper introduction and logically separated sections. I basically moved paragraphs around to make the text flow well. In so doing I removed non-encyclopedic stuff such as subjective statements and statements that were repeated. It is my belief that the article will now have a better foundation to be built on. It should be deemed more credible now that the POV stuff is gone. If you hate my edit, you can always revert it (please put a comment here if you do so). However, I hope that you will appreciate and accept the changes. In any case, this article is in dire need of proper referencing. I've added "Citation needed" markers to places which I feel need extra attention. Relrel (talk) 22:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Associated Acts

There is no mention of Carr's involvement in any of the associated acts listed in his infobox, other than Kiss obviously, and a brief mention of Flasher ...was told by former Flasher bandmate Paul Turino, that he should audition for Kiss. Is there verification that he was in these bands or if they ever existed? The only one with a Wikilink, Bionic Boogie redirects to Gregg Diamond, and reading that page gives no indication of Carr's involvement. I suppose I should research it, but if anyone else has the info ahead of me it would help the page. -J04n (talk) 12:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Recording "Beth"

I have removed the part of the inaccurate story (and reportedly sat on the same drum throne as Criss did to record the song. ) and replaced it with a cited source.

The source (The Neon Glow) only printed about 4 or 5 issues before folding. Instead of refunding subscribers, Ken Gullic, the publisher, offered a copy of an audio cassette interview with Eric Carr. The fanzine gives only the partial quote by Eric, stating, "A little interesting thing, and this is absolutely true! I recorded it in the same room that Peter sang the original. We did it at the Record Plant. I might have sat on the same stool. It was great. It took me about an hour to do it. It was strange but we didn't want to change too much. We figured changing the vocal was enough of a change right there."

It's obvious that Eric was taking after Gene and Paul (hyping beyond reason) when he speculated he sat on the same stool. He is saying that the stools at the Record Plant (perhaps thousands of musicians have sat on between 1976 and 1988) are still the same. I guess none were broken, stolen or simply lost. No, he was saying this to get people's attention and hype the story. --CrestedDragon (talk) 18:46, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Category

Why is the category, American Roman Catholics here? I don't see anything in the article that states Eric Carr was Catholic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.129.152.37 (talk) 00:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Nobody answered. So i'm gonna remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.215.28.141 (talk) 03:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Change type to solo singer

He sung lead vocals on Black Diamond, Young and Wasted, and Beth, so he should be categorised as solo singer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AddingInstruments (talk • contribs) 09:24, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Eric

Any story to why “Eric”. What did the band and his friends call him? MBG02 (talk) 10:01, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

His birth name was Paul. At the time he joined, there were already two Pauls in the band (Paul Stanley and Ace Frehley, whose birth name was Paul). So he adopted a stage name. He chose Eric Carr because it matched the multi-syllabic names of the other members, albeit his name was 1-2 3, whereas the rest of the band’s names were 1 2-3 (E-ric Carr). Peter Criss’ name was also this way (Pe-ter Criss). His original idea was Rusty Blades, but settled on Eric Carr when Rusty Blades was vetoed by the rest of the band. LordVesuvius (talk) 22:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)