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The ref for Forshaw p. 50 is the 1978 edition of Parrots of the World. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:12, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The other refs are from Forshaw 2006 Parrots of the World; an identification Guide - a different book, not just a different edition. Snowman (talk) 13:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please add your Forshaw to the "Cited texts", and perhaps someone will replace it with a refs from one of the later corrected versions of Forshaw. Snowman (talk) 14:04, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have added what book I think you were sourcing in the cited texts. Snowman (talk) 14:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I have been asleep. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:02, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Range

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Excuse my ignorance about the islands within the range of this genus. To me their geography seems to be quite complicated. Fawshaw (2006) includes western Papuan Islands in the range of one of the subspecies of the Violet-necked Lory. I am not sure where the western Papual Islands are; nevertheless the article currently gives "western Papuan Islands", exactly as provided in ref. Snowman (talk) 13:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A range map featuring many of the islands might be helpful for the article. Snowman (talk) 14:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed -Forshaw has maps for the individual species. This might be good to have on one with different colours for each. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:02, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I could probably make one as the HBW has maps for all the species. I'll see if I have time. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Snowman, as I understand it, the Western Papuan islands referred to are the Raja Ampat Islands, the main four of which are Misool, Salawati, Batanta and Waigeo, in the Indonesian province of West Papua. Maias (talk) 03:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I emphasise that I mean West Papua (Indonesian province), a political entity, rather than a geographic location. It is easy to get confused here. Maias (talk) 09:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I fear this might be an oversimplification, but I am beginning to gain only a smattering of the complexity of the geography of the area. Raja Ampat Islands (as listed on wikipage) seems to correspond to the range of E.s.squamata only, as charted on the range maps in Forshaw (2006). The subspecies E.s.obiensis range is on islands further west than this, and the range of E.s.riciniata is even further north-west on one island. I will keep to the current format of using "western" uncapitalised to indicate the general direction of the islands off Papua and not any named territory. On some pages in Forshaw (2006) where "western" is not at the start of a sentence is it uncapitalised. Snowman (talk) 10:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
File:IndonesiaWestPapua.png is a map of provinces, and it appears that the range of E. squamata spans different provinces. Perhaps the islands across several provinces can all be described as western Papuan Islands. Snowman (talk) 10:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They occupy all the islands between New Guinea and Sulawesi (the hand shaped island), up north to the Phillipines and down south moving towards Australia (the islands south of the bit coloured in green). There is also a species on the islands to the right of the bit coloured in green, but no species is found on New Guinea itself. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The genus seems to occur across five provinces - North Sulawesi, North Maluku, Maluku, West Papua and Papua, but only on islands below a certain size. Provincial boundaries have not remained constant over the last few decades and I think it is far better to use geographical terms - i.e. island groups and particular islands. The Geelvink Islands are part of Papua Province (though the birds do not occur in New Guinea) and the Talaud Islands are part of North Sulawesi Province (though the birds do not occur in Sulawesi). Most (though not all) of the islands they do occur on have traditionally, and loosely, been called the Moluccas - a somewhat broader term than the current provinces of North Maluku and Maluku. So to speak of the distribution of the genus, you could say that it is found in the Moluccas and some islands off western New Guinea. Maias (talk) 23:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

State of article

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I am impressed by how this article has developed over the last week. Once the range is sorted out above, is there anything else obstructing a crack at GA status? I think these articles really highlight how to display the photos of bird species well without resorting to a gallery and would be a good showcase. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I am aware the ranges in the table are correct and all are sourced. Unless there was anything remarkable to add, I guess that ranges of subspecies might be something for the individual species pages, or grand multicoloured map or maps. I might be persuaded otherwise. I think the discussion above was to "round off the corners", but it would probably be useful to add a summery of the geographical range. Snowman (talk) 12:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The conservation section is rather short still, is the species bred in captivity? Also I have found a paper on the feeding behaviour and phisiology of the Red Lory, trying to tink of how to fit it in. Sabine's Sunbird talk 18:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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