Talk:English ship Antelope (1546)

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"HMS"

Please note that naming 16th century ships with much later navy prefixes is not consistent with how other contemporary ships are named. For example Mary Rose, Peter Pomegranate and Henry Grace à Dieu.

Peter ^Isotalo 17:09, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's three ships, the majority of ships of this period are titled with HMS (Category:16th-century ships, at the least Peter please accept this is perhaps a controversial move against existing guidelines, and needs discussion and a consensus before its move, not after. WP:BRD suggest bold, revert and discuss, not bold, revert, revert and discuss. The accepted conventions also expressed suggest 'English ship Antelope 1546', not the current format, hence making the title doubly wrong by our standards. I am going to revert, please await consensus, as there is no rush, let's get this right before making changes. Benea (talk) 17:37, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've dropped a link to the discussion on WT:SHIPS to encourage further input to this debate, and help a consensus develop. Benea (talk) 17:52, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(ships) indicates, "Do not make up a ship prefix for a navy that did not use one." The English navy of the time did not and nor should we. The Land (talk) 14:28, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fully rigged ship

I thought most of the early Galleons carried 4 masts, with a lateen sail on the last two masts (as indeed shown in the picture). I have seen square sails in addition to the lateen on the third mast, but never on the fourth. Why do we describe Antelope as a Full Rigged Ship? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 11:38, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's only applying from her 1618 rebuild onwards, by which time she would have been very different from her original self. Martocticvs (talk) 13:52, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks. Do we have a name for the Galleon sail plan that we could add for clarification? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 13:55, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure, but I think the terms Galleass and Galleon are sufficient to describe their rigs as well? I don't recall ever seeing any other names coupled with them. Martocticvs (talk) 14:19, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]