Talk:Endless (comics)

The Endless are NOT omnipotent concerning their aspects

Morpheus himself stated that he's not omnipotent concerning his aspect. The Sandman #16, when he explains to Rose Walker why he couldn't stop a Dream Vortex from appearing in every eon.

-Yeah, I edited the opening paragraph, and changed it it read that The Endless are AMONG the most powerful entities in thier Universe. In "Season of Mists" Dream explicitly states that he is, at the very least, less powerful than Lucifer and by extension, Lucifer (and Hell's) creator. Brian Schlosser42 (talk) 16:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, Think about it, Dream is only less powerful then Lucifer for following rules but Death doesn't follow rules, making her the absolute power house of the universe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.136.238 (talk) 07:04, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

The "The"

This page seems to be bouncing back and forth from "Endless" to "The Endless". The discussion archived below seems to indicate the "The" is preferred. This makes the most sense to me, but I don't want to move it again without knowing the whole history. Matthew Simoneau 18:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Destruction's Text

It says that Destruction's text is normal in a regular text baloon but in fact the outline of the text balloon is in Bold font. I am changing the article to reflect this. Feel free to change it back if you have a different opinion. 194.69.198.244 15:05, 2 November 2007 (UTC)Illuvater01

Realms

Somewhere in the article it mentions that each of the Endless are uncomfortable being in another's realm. I'm pretty sure that's wrong. I've read the series a few times and none of them really appear to have discomfort with another's realm. Delirium once said something to the effect that the dreaming is scary ... mostly because she is intimidated by her older brother. Also several times they have had gatherings at Destiny's realm and all seemed well. I suggest we fix all that or if like many other suggestions I've made on Wikipedia - this gets ignored I'll fix it towards something correct. Abrynkus 19:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

It's mentioned explicitly in one of the comics that the Endless are uncomfortable in each other's realms. I can't remember which one off the top of my head, but I'll try and track it down... Unless someone else wants to do it for me! Fluffdragon 04:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

--The Sandman #47, I believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.244.125.78 (talk) 21:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 08:00, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

The information formerly contained on this page should not be present here; since the name of the group is 'The Endless,' this page should redirect to The Endless (comics). I also have no idea why this page is presently mirrored at The Endless (music), so this is being fixed (along with the redirect at the top of The Endless and a whole lot of other unexpected finds). Drasil 08:13, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

The move request is now to move Endless (comics) to The Endless.

I've moved this request from Talk:The Endless (comics), as the article content had been cut-pasted there by Drasil, and this has now been reverted. The page should either be at The Endless or Endless (comics), but not The Endless (comics). Either way, the page should be moved via the move button at the top of the page, not by cut+paste. — sjorford (talk) 18:19, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with — sjorford (talk) 18:19, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

• Still a strong support, despite the continual reminders about my error. Drasil 15:37, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

*Support - Gnosis1185 04:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

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I am in support of this move because not only do I feel that it cuts down on the amount of confusion that has surrounded this group of pages since they were first written, but also because this is a more accurate form of labelling according to the Sandman storyline and continuum. Gnosis1185 04:42, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Dread?

Should Dread (from the Dreaming) be mentioned here, I mean, she wasn't a real Endless, but she claimed to be... Otherwise would she belong in the Corinthian, or the Characters article, or where? Oneoverzero 09:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Desire's pronouns

We have the Word of God in 2017 stating that, if written today, Desire's pronouns would be they/them/their. https://neil-gaiman.tumblr.com/post/162694742036/i-was-looking-through-sandman-again-recently-and

This review of 2020's audio adaptation of The Sandman by Audible states that Desire now has they/them pronouns. No link handy, but I've read that the upcoming Netflix series will, too.

That's the preferred choice for many non-binary people today, and it's Gaiman's current choice for his creation. As such, it's the right, fitting, proper set of pronouns for this Wikipedia article. Yet a look through the edit history shows that just *one* editor with a personal distaste for "they" pronouns squats over this page and reverts the edit every damn time someone updates them. I'll try putting them back to "they" now, the other editor's delicate feelings be damned. Phaseolus (talk) 02:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

If the comic were created today, you might have something, but the comic was created in 1989. Further, Imposing modern day values on a work from the late 1980s to early 1990s is counterproductive. - R.G. (talk) 03:03, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

"Counterproductive" how? What does "productivity" have to do, here? Anyway, language changes over decades. The work itself changes over decades. The author's choices have changed, according to the author himself. The pronoun "it" is considered somewhat insulting today, "they" is how we talk now. The "it" pronouns, applied to adults, need to go the way of the n-word and other hateful invective. Insisting on "it" in this article doesn't promote accuracy in any meaningful way, it looks more like one editor's tilting at a windmill. Phaseolus (talk) 12:02, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Seriously, this repeated edit warring is out of control. R.G. needs to stand down. There's no citation or substantive evidence to support the assigning of the "it" pronoun. Let's reach a consensus here before continuing the back and forth.--GimmeChoco44 (talk) 15:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Damn. My computer ate my work. Y'all may want to ask for a WP:third opinion. TBH, the best option right now looks like WP:partial blocking @R.G.: --Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:18, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

@EEng: This looks like a WP:MOS question. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:22, 7 December 2020 (UTC) stupid tremors

You're on your own on this one. I don't come nowhere near these pronoun debates, no way, no how. EEng 16:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Look, y'all. I just full protected the page. I will block the person who makes the next revert, once the protection expires. (Sigh, discretion being the better part of valor) --Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:35, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

RG came back and changed all the pronouns back to "it". Is it permitted to change them back to "they", but only if I don't use the revert button??? Seriously, fuck this guy Phaseolus (talk) 02:33, 10 December 2020 (UTC)