Talk:Emrah Safa Gürkan

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Removal of sourced information

Dear editors, the section about Gurkan's backgammon career was removed by the user @Dı Gras vas Grinır. The section was sourced and was verifiable in sources. I think removal of this information was unjustified. Furthermore I think the message Dı Gras wrote in their edit summary was inappropriate with the consensus building process as it accuses another editor of trolling without any evidence. I believe the members of our community will make the right decision to add the sourced material back to the article. Thank you. Man-at-Bogomil (talk) 10:15, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It seems a bit trivial to me. Slatersteven (talk) 10:32, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven He won a prize and wrote books about the game. How is it trivial? Man-at-Bogomil (talk) 10:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK what does it tell us about him, the fact he can play a game well? Also its it soruced to an RS? Slatersteven (talk) 10:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sources are present in this version of the article (scroll down to "Backgammon career" part), as well as the information you are asking. Man-at-Bogomil (talk) 10:38, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He hasn't written a book about backgammon. You can check it yourself (Goodreads, TÜBİTAK, British Library). I'm on patrol on Turkish Wikipedia and this user made the same troll attempt on Turkish Wikipedia. Dı Gras vas Grinır (talk) 10:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see a source in that diff, I see an unsourced claim. Slatersteven (talk) 10:44, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh, I see, it was not in the diff but in an earlier edit, you need to read wp:cite. Slatersteven (talk) 10:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The text you added is definitely not verifiable. At least the article of The Atlantic should be online but you are yet to show an URL. Bray 2019 has no hits for "Emrah", "Safa", "Gürkan" or "Guerkan", and Lulu.com is "print on demand" so it isn't an RS anyway. His own book from 2022 has no hits for "tavla". I can't find anything related to his backgammon career when doing a search myself. I'm issuing you warning here and on your talk. Unless you are speedrunning for a block you should stop. ~Styyx^Talk? 10:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It does not have to be online, but we do need an issue number and page number, just " (2009). Smithsonian Magazine." is not good enough, and a search for the title "Player Safa Gurkan breaks world record for consecutive backgammon match wins" brought up no hits. Thus it fails wp:v. Slatersteven (talk) 10:48, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The articles I used are available in the print versions of The Atlantic and Smithsonian Magazine. The page number is the former is 8 and for the latter is 31. Man-at-Bogomil (talk) 10:51, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I realize now that I didn't include the issues. Thanks for the heads-up. I will revisit the British Library tomorrow and will share the issues of the sources too. Regards. Man-at-Bogomil (talk) 10:57, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Slatersteven, this troll is now CU-blocked, and I don't think they'll be headed for the BL tomorrow either. You can hat this entire waste of time, if you like. Dı Gras vas Grinır, there's a slew of other trolling accounts associated with this one, in case you want to alert your colleagues over there; see User talk:Madame Necker. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Puffery

This is getting to read like a hagiography saying how great and talented he was (even at an early age). Read wp:npov and wp:blp. Slatersteven (talk) 11:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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