Talk:Employment/Archives/2012

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Bias?

"Capitalism allows the marketplace to determine the value of a good or service based on demand, rather than impose a value on a good or service. In a communist environment, the state determines the value a job may have, and may also open or close avenues to those jobs, creating less of a sense of freedom as to who may occupy those jobs.

Socio-psychological concepts of freedom, self-actualization, motivation and aspiration are thus tested in a society where a person is not taught the value of contributing to enterprise. The capitalist system suggests that success is unlimited or directly proportional to how much an individual wants to work at it, while opponents of communism suggest that imposing value takes away the motivation for someone to be better at their job than the next guy who isn't working as hard but the value in what they do is fixed regardless of performance."

This feels like a non-objective viewpoint to me, but I'm not sure... 70.49.75.217 (talk) 22:44, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Merge from Job (role)

Presently Job (role) is also a start-class article, but it is listed as one of the wp:Vital 100. It seems both cover the same territory rather poorly. I propose a merger, intending that it would focus effort in one place, and in any case it would simplify a messy disambiguation. LeadSongDog come howl! 18:00, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree; merge makes sense.--KarlB (talk) 19:22, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Same here. (Either that or move Job (role) to Job per WP:PRIME.) benzband (talk) 19:28, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

I favor keeping the articles separate, because the concepts are distinct in an important way, as explained in the introductions to the two articles. Employment is a contract, while job is a social role. The job (role) article, though short, concentrates non-contractual aspects of work, for example self-employment, and on the significance of a job for a person's social status (e.g. getting a first job) and life goals (e.g. "day job"). I like Benzband's suggestion to move the present content of Job (role) to Job, thereby making it a WP:PRIMARY_TOPIC article, with a hatnote to a disambiguation page containing the present content of Job. CharlesHBennett (talk) 19:20, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Oppose merger: The two are distinctly different, it would be better to develop the "job" article further, instead of merging. --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:58, 31 July 2012 (UTC)