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Major cleanup needed

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Most of the text on this page seems to have simply been copied verbatim from GNOME Live: http://live.gnome.org/Empathy

Unfortunately that text is not very well suited to an encyclopaedic format, and there are errors throughout. Further errors have also been introduced in copying the text.

I'll try to clean up some of the obvious formatting and grammar issues, but the article could use some serious attention from someone with a little more knowledge of the product than myself.

114.76.44.0 (talk) 03:35, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Some outstanding questions / comments

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  • The article says Empathy supports the protocols: "XMPP, Google Talk, Jabber" - even though both Google Talk and Jabber are XMPP-clients, not standalone protocols. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.66.190.87 (talk) 08:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • What are "tubes"?
  • Could benefit from being split into sections -- refer to Pidgin (software)
  • Are the client and widget toolkit both simply called "Empathy", or should they have more specific names (e.g. "Empathy client", "Empathy toolkit") within the overarching "Empathy project"? This seems unclear in the project documentation (confusing branding).
  • References to technical details like libempathy and such should probably be put into a meaningful context or removed
  • How does this relate to similar projects? What does it give us that others don't? (I'm not suggesting it's not useful -- I'm just saying that the article does not explain why it exists.)
  • Feature list here and on GNOME Live appears out of date. Worth updating now and/or after the next stable release of the GNOME platform (around September 23 -- see http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven)

114.76.44.0 (talk) 04:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


The article mentions support for Salut and Bonjour. But they're the same thing, only that Bonjour is an Apple trademark so Empathy can't call it that. Other names (probably not exact synonyms) are XMPP Serverless Messaging and XMPP Link Local. Empathy itself tries to obfuscate what this service is (no idea why) and calls it "People Nearby".--88.73.9.255 (talk) 17:14, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Metacontacts

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Would it be appropriate under Known Issues to mention the lack of metacontacts, with a reference to the bug (opened over two years ago) to try and solve the problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.236.79.85 (talk) 01:23, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nope because you'd be doing original research from a primary source. Wait until a secondary source reports on it, then include. riffic (talk) 16:12, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't seem like original research to me if you reference an accepted bug. I think you misunderstand the policy. jheiv talk contribs 01:20, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
it seems pretty clear to me. All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors. -- wp:primary. riffic (talk) 05:41, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hidden comment moved here

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The following hidden comment was placed next to a ComputerWorld reference (Gedda, Rodney (20 November 2009). "5 open source VoIP softphones to watch". Computerworld. Retrieved 20 March 2010.)

< !-- Based on the GNOME wiki article, contains a bit of information that could be from this Wikipedia article, but probably is not (no Ubuntu mention). -- >

If this is really just commenting on this article, I don't see any blatant remains of the Gnome wiki article about Empathy.

I've conducted a bit of cleanup and prosifying (not a real word) in the Features section, and added Reception. It's too bad it was released early, because most of those reviews are hopeful, but disappointed. Any recent reviews? 2010, 2011? Thanks. --Lexein (talk) 16:35, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality?

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This whole article seems awfully negative.67.149.93.0 (talk) 05:23, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Icon

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The icon in the info-box is out of date. I don't have a large enough copy of the current icon to upload, but if somebody could that would be great. It's a standard hicolour icon, so it shouldn't be hard to find. Felixphew (Ar! Ar! Ar!) 04:21, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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One of the links I've removed while pruning to meet WP:EL has been added back. I agree the link is a good link, it is just in the wrong part of the article. The link should still be removed from the EL section, as the information in the Ars Technica article can be incorporated into this Wikipedia article and the Ars article then used as a reference (and not an external link). This is the external link in question:

Thanks, Stesmo (talk) 07:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Hm, but the actual purpose of external links is to provide information beyond the article. With that in mind, having that external link isn't such a bad thing, while I do agree that incorporating it into the article as a source would be much better. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 07:41, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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