Talk:Emilie Mayer

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Year of birth

Provided the statement that in "1840, her life took a sudden turn: Emilie Mayer's father fatally shot himself, 26 years to the day after he buried Emilie's mother" is correct, the note questioning whether she was born in 1812 or 1821 is pointless, as the prior statement establishes her mother was already dead by 1814. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.76.68.13 (talk) 16:48, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What on earth...

does this mean?

'the young Emilie apparently had an eating disorder, which caused many issues in her compositions.'

dominant in the second theme due to anorexia nervosa?

Are Chopin's mazurkas flawed by tuberculosis? Or Beethoven's symphonies by cirrhosis?

Of course, the Brontë novels are all second-rate due to the ladies' recurrent illnesses.

Please... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.29.224 (talk) 21:54, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

well, maybe what was meant was her -ability to compose- with regularity. Though that too is a dubious statement, judging from her output. ELSchissel (talk) 02:24, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

description of sonata allegro form

fixed the inaccurate description of sonata-allegro form from the Youth Orchestra website, according to which any minuet and trio is in sonata-allegro form. A sonata-allegro form isn't just any ABA - it's more an (AB)C(AB') with maybe an introduction before A and a coda after B', and with (AB') possibly more a fantasy on AB rather than a "recapitulation" of it (qv anything mature by Haydn), and where B' is often the material of B - which is a theme or group of themes/motives in a different key from the themes/motives in A - now usually played in the same key as A's. C sometimes, but doesn't always (eg Mozart piano concerto first movements, often enough*), "develop" the material of "AB" - it's more important that it goes from the key in which "B'" ends and takes us, often dramatically, back to the main key (usually). Etc. More exceptions than rules when you have composers who really understand the point behind the rules and how to get from one place to another. ELSchissel (talk) 02:20, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And yes, piano concerto first movements in the Classical period aren't in sonata-allegro form, even though some people mistakenly talk about the "tutti" and first "solo" sections as double expositions; that's just not the role they play in the majority of those works. Still, the middle section plays the same "let's get back to tonic" role as in sonata-allegro, so I cheated... - ELS

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