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The title should be "Emil and the Detective". I don't know how to change the title or url of the page. Patrick19 17:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What makes you think so? The title is given as "Emil and the Detectives" e. g. on Amazon, and it's also the correct translation from German. --Mellum 21:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies, I was mistaken. We just finished reading the German version in my German class, and the title is "Emil und die Detektive", which unless I'm mistaken, is the singular form of the word. But a quick google search revealed that the English version is "Detectives". Patrick19 01:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are mistaken. "Die Detektive" is plural of "Der Detektiv". --Mellum 16:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia / "Grundeis"

Herr Grundeis translates literally into "Ground Ice". - This is correct, but furthermore this word is obviously referring to the phrase "Ihm geht der Arsch auf Grundeis", a vulgar phrase meaning "He is really scared". This could reflect the thief's feelings when he is chased by the children's crowd - the scene which leads to his detention. 89.12.243.136 (talk) 21:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Americanization?

In the adaptations section, the line In some cases Emil and the other boys are made into Americans, and the theft takes place on a Greyhound bus rather than on a train. is very puzzing. The only American adaptation listed is the Disney, and that is set in Berlin, and the characters played (in English) as Germans. The British series seems unlikely to have converted them to Americans, and the German versions are played by Germans, in German in Germany. So where are the “cases” that do otherwise? I can’t say they don’t exist, I just don’t know to what productions (and it should be more than one as the quotation is plural) they are. Jock123 (talk) 16:02, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added a "citation needed" as I am pretty sure that no such americanized version of the story exists. 85.178.125.191 (talk) 13:30, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article mentions a 1964 US version produced by Disney which is Emil and the Detectives (1964 film). In that film, Emil travels indeed by bus to Berlin, not by train, so I assume that's what the article's reference to "Greyhound bus" is trying to convey. I suggest to remove the word "Greyhound" and the citation request. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:14, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I actually saw the 1964 Disney version a few years ago when it was available on Youtube. May I refer you to this Amazon review, which talks at length about the “very European feel” and german “cast and key crew”: http://www.amazon.com/review/R2PDR7GPHON3BK/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B005G84GG0&nodeID=2625373011&store=movies-tv Not only is the bus not a Greyhound but there is nothing else americanized about that adaptation. 85.178.127.132 (talk) 23:49, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I removed that whole paragraph some days ago. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:11, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good work. Unfortunately there isn‘t a lot of stuff about those movies to be found online in english.Udoschmitz (talk) 11:57, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Neustadt

why does it say the town of neustadt is fictional? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.35.74.52 (talk) 21:49, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And added another "citation needed" for "fictional". It may very well be, but it could also be one of those two:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neustadt_in_Holstein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neustadt_am_Rübenberge 85.178.125.191 (talk) 13:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's a novel, so it's fictional. As for any real places named Neustadt, there are hundreds of them, some of them are listed at de:Neustadt. One of them is Äußere Neustadt in Dresden where Kästner grew up. I suggest to remove that citation request. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

“It's a novel, so it's fictional.” What?? As you say Äußere Neustadt is “in” Dresden as in: a district. The book talks about a town called Neustadt in northern Germany. I repeat myself: it may very well be. But to state either way would be OR. :-/ 85.178.127.132 (talk) 23:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gah, need to correct myself, the book doesn’t talk about northern Germany, I got that idea from another movie version. 85.178.127.132 (talk) 00:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Would you rather have that sentence read: "The story begins in the provincial German town of Neustadt, home to young schoolboy Emil Tischbein." or "The story begins in a provincial German town, home to young schoolboy Emil Tischbein." ? Go ahead. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:11, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looking further into the issue as well as checking (searching) a PDF version of the book I strongly assume that the Neustadt from the book is fictional. Meant to be an amalgam and a model for a german provincial town of the area. Called Neustadt to make it hard to pinpoint. What a novelist typically would do. We know that it is distanced about 4,5 hours by stream train. All that is OR of course, so I rest my case and leave the decision to you. Sorry for the trouble. (Remembered my account) Udoschmitz (talk) 11:57, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The amount that Emil was carrying

Regarding the phrase "with 140 marks ... to give to his grandmother and 20 marks for himself", since 140 marks were stolen - I think this should be "with 120 marks ... to give to his grandmother and 20 marks for himself" or alternatively "with 140 marks ..., 120 marks to give to his grandmother and 20 marks for himself". --Redrose64 (talk) 22:56, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Something strange in Wikipedia

It seems that most of the content has been deleted from the article. The talk page contains much information about things which are no longer in the article itself.

I have increasingly noticed such changes... much of the history of many articles has progressively vanished, too. 86.171.145.86 (talk) 06:49, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They're corrections, especially "Greyhound" which was completely misleading. The old content is in the revision history if you want to see it, no? Sluggoster (talk) 23:58, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]