Talk:Emergency State (book)

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I think this is notable because Wagner has made several appearances as an expert regarding covid law in the UK (e.g) the book has reviews in the new statesmen and times, which are respectable print newspapers in the UK. He also had an OP-ed in the guardian associated with this book. The books contains recommendation quotes from Lady Hale a former supreme court judge.

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Editors wishing to make changes might find WP:WikiProject_Books/Non-fiction_article and useful. The synopsis is certainly longer than most of the books in its category, but shorter that some other book articles.

Human rights issues related to the COVID-19 pandemic might be somewhere where content like this could be moved. Though might require a variety of views from a humanities perspective regarding COVID and preferably sources contrasting these views and I think this source represents the beginning of the academic self-reflection on human rights during the pandemic. As it stands it is at least clear that these views are Wagner's.

I suspect more reviews (and preferably something academic in a scholarly source) will be forthcoming. I've seen some journals publish scholarly book reviews which would be good to add. Talpedia (talk) 09:36, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks for your insightful comment! Note I was just tagging during NPP and marking this as reviewed. Editors wishing to make changes might find WP:WikiProject_Books/Non-fiction_article and useful. The synopsis is certainly longer than most of the books in its category, but shorter that some other book articles- apologies, but I humbly disagree. The one you linked concur with the MoS plot guideline- Synopsis should be between 400 and 700 words (about 600 words), but should not exceed 900 words unless there is a specific reason such as being complicated. Your contents overview is 1187 words, IMHO obviously far too long, especially for an article currently with five refs and a two-paragraph reception section. I thank and appreciate your work here but IMO pointing out that other worse longer synopsises isn't the most convincing to other editors. Let's respectfully disagree however, and many thanks again! VickKiang (talk) 09:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I hope you aren't saying featured articles have a habit of being too detailed (I would never say such a thing) :D

Cool cool. I certainly hope for there to be more reviews forthcoming and suspect they may be given Wagner writing around this book in newspapers.

I think reviews would also help us shape a more compact synopsis, since they tell us what other scholars think it relevant about the book. I suspect some of the details of FPNs and particular regulations could probably be discussed with the "lockdown in the UK" article as well...

One final point is that the report by the Bingham centre for the rule of law (which Wagner is a member of) will hopefully place Wagner's opinion within the context of a number of other scholars, and perhaps could be another good place to move conntent to Talpedia (talk) 10:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Tnx for your reply! Of course, where did I imply that featured articles are too detailed? To me, the problem is that 90% of the article is a synopsis section, if this article has a total length of 5000 words, then the length of the contents section would IMHO be perfectly fine. I appreciate your opinions, but the analogy to featured articles is IMO inaccurate as those have detailed reception, development, and themes details. Of course, it'd be difficult to add these things here due to the few reviews, despite that it passes WP:NBOOK and WP:GNG. Still, many thanks for your efforts and work with this article! VickKiang (talk) 10:35, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

You did not, but I think this can be a tendency. Anyway yeah, I'll let some thoughts about how to be more concise circulate in my head a bit and watch for reviews. Have a good day! Talpedia (talk) 10:39, 24 October 2022 (UTC)