Talk:Elwood Haynes

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I created this page 1-28-07, but in the Talk:Stainless steel page, it refers to this page as if an earlier version existed. I don't know what happened to that version.HornColumbia 22:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I figured it out. The earlier version was removed for plagerism reasons. See User:W.marsh/list HornColumbia 22:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Elwood Haynes info cre of the Indiana Historical Society Please consider adding.

Elwood Haynes
Born Portland, Ind., 1857; Died Kokomo, Ind., 1925. Elwood Haynes was educated in the Jay County public schools. He obtained admission to the Worcester County Free Institute of Industrial Science in Worcester, Mass., in 1873 and graduated from that institution three years later. For his senior thesis he analyzed tungsten's effect upon iron and steel--an idea he used later in inventing Stellite, an extremely hard, heat-and-corrosion-resistant tool metal.

After graduation, Haynes returned to Portland to teach. He eventually became principal of Portland High School, but left to conduct postgraduate work in chemistry, biology and German at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. With the discovery of natural gas near Portland in 1886, Haynes left teaching and became superintendent for the Portland Natural Gas and Oil Company. In 1890 he was appointed field superintendent for the Indiana Natural Gas Company of Chicago, which had its headquarters in Greentown, Ind. While working for that firm, Haynes's inventive mind came up with a method to prevent pipelines from freezing by dehydrating the gas prior to its being pumped through the lines. During a lull in his duties in 1891, Haynes began preparing plans and drawings for a new method of travel--a horseless carriage. Moving to Kokomo in 1892 as manager of the gas plant there, he continued to work on his idea. In November 1893 he purchased a one-cylinder, one-horsepower gasoline engine and, a few months later, hired Elmer and Edgar Apperson for 40 cents an hour to construct the vehicle. The vehicle was ready for its first test run on July 4, 1894. The car was towed by a horse and buggy (to avoid frightening horses on the busy Kokomo streets) out into the countryside on the Pumpkinvine Pike. With Haynes at the controls, the car traveled about six miles at a speed approaching six or seven miles per hour--becoming one of the first cars in the country to achieve such a feat. With this success behind them, Haynes and the Apperson brothers formed a partnership to design and build the Haynes-Apperson automobiles. Both Haynes and Apperson Brothers automobiles were built in Kokomo until the 1920s. In 1910 Haynes donated his Pioneer auto to the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, where it is on permanent display. Haynes died on April 13, 1925. The Kokomo inventor, if not the first, was among the first Americans to build and drive a gasoline-powered, self-propelled vehicle. He is still remembered today as a brilliant metallurgist and a pioneer in Indiana's automobile industry.

More to Follow at a later time... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.138.48.34 (talk) 06:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

"Invention" of stainless steel

“ Haynes received patents on two alloys: stainless steel and stellite. ”

This is a vague and misleading statement. Although Haynes may have developed a certain stainless steel alloy, he is far from the first to do so. Harry Brearley of Sheffield, England is generally recognized as the discoverer of modern stainless steel, based on work he did in 1913 and earlier, and Brearley's work is, in turn, based on experiments going back to the early 1800s. Moreover, stainless steel isn't a specific alloy; it is an entire family of alloys developed in the decades since Brearley's discovery. This statement should be researched further and qualified. Specific United States patent references would be helpful. —Quicksilver^{T @} 20:27, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

In expanding the article, the source gives some very specific information about the components of his alloys, they can be viewed by following the sources. I am not qualified to say just what it means, but it tells about being 93% of one thing, and other percentages of other things. And the result is it calls it stainless steel. The source is fairly old, perhaps there is a newer modern term for his specific stainless steel alloy? Charles Edward (Talk) 18:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Haynes and Brearly both, independently, in 1912 according to Scientific American.[1] Haynes' U.S. patent application was filed in 1912, granted in 1919. Brearly's U.S. patent was filed in 1915. Eduard Maurer and Benno Strauss working at Krupp filed for a German patent also in 1912 for a different kind of stainless steel. Leon Guillet apparently beat them all by working with the stuff in 1904 but failed to realize its importance. Rmhermen (talk) 14:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! The books calls his "martensicic stainless steel". I will add that to the article for clarity. Charles Edward (Talk) 15:09, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Elwood Haynes/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Hi, I am reviewing this article for GA. I have gone through it and copy edited it, rather than leave you a long list of small problems to fix. Please fee free to change any mistakes I have made. This is a wonderful articles, thoroughly interesting and enjoyable. The only barrier to its passing GA is a {{citation needed}} tag. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 20:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. I have been to the library and got a great book on Haynes. I hope to have the article up to FA in a week or so! Thanks! Charles Edward (Talk) 21:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Final GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): Quite well written b (MoS): Follows MoS

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): Well referenced b (citations to reliable sources): Sources are reliable c (OR): No OR

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): Covers major aspects b (focused): Remains focused on topic

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias: NPOV

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Congratulations!

—Mattisse (Talk) 22:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Image

I replaced the image with one I edited for sharpness. 15versts (talk) 22:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Middle Name

There is Controversy over Elwood Haynes middle name, this page gives him a middle initial of 'P', The Kokomo museum's findings conclude he has no middle name. Elwood Haynes is my Great-Great uncle, and the family information says his middle name was 'Milton'. I hope to later confirm this information for the official page on Elwood Haynes. Added by Chuck Nichols SteelRaptor24@aol.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by SteelRaptor (talk • contribs) 20:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

If I recall, the initial was taken from the book by Gray. I also looked very hard to find his middle name when I wrote most of this article a year or so ago. I could not find any reference anywhere beyond the "P." If you should come across a middle name or initial in contradiction to this one, I would certainly be interested. Accuracy is goal here. :) —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 15:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Source to text integrity issues: FA review needed

Dunn, p. 1215

• Article: His paternal grandfather Henry Haynes was a gunsmith and mechanic, and tutored Haynes about metallurgy.[3]
  • N Source: Henry Haynes followed mechanical trades most of his life, and he may have been responsible for some of the mechanical genius of his grandson.

Dunn, p. 1216

• Article: As a child, Haynes had an interest in chemistry and metallurgy and when he was 15 he built a smelting furnace and began working with copper, bronze, and iron.[7]
  • Source: Does not support the first clause,
• Article: His early experiments and studies interested him in the fundamental properties of matter, and he was intrigued by how mixing compounds could create completely different alloys.[7][8]
  • Source: Unsupported
• Article: His mother died in May 1885 and he decided to leave the university without completing his second year, as he was not working to attain a degree but only taking courses of interest. After he had returned home again, he took a position at the newly established Eastern Indiana Normal School and Commercial College (now Ball State University) and served as the head of the chemistry department.[7][19][20]
  • Source: Only supports one part (position at Eastern Indiana)
• Article: In the fall of 1886, the board hired Haynes as superintendent to manage the company and oversee the creation of wells and piping. The company was one of the first in the Trenton Field, and many of the others which soon followed modeled themselves on the Portland company. As a fuel and industry, natural gas was in its earliest stages. Haynes invented several devices that became important to the success of the industry. One of his first inventions was a device capable of measuring the amount of gas being pumped from wells.[7][24]
  • Source: Can't verify from that source.

Dunn, p. 1217

• Article: This prevented water buildup in the pipes and allowed the pipes to be used year-round. The concept was a significant advance in early refrigeration technology and was further developed by others in later years.[26]
  • Source: N Since that time the method devised by Mr. Haynes has been used not only for refrigerating gas,but also for drying air.

Dunn, p. 1219

• Article: The last model designed under the Haynes-Apperson name had three speeds and was capable of 24 mph on pneumatic tires.[45]
  • Source: N Not there.

Because a spotcheck of the only source available online reveals problems, and most of the sources used here are not available online, I am listing this article at WP:FARGIVEN for similar source-to-text integrity issues found in other articles with the same FAC nominator. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:02, 15 April 2023 (UTC)