Talk:Elvira Abdić-Jelenović

Nationality

Abdić-Jelenović, accroding to the Constitution of Bosnia and Herzegovina, must be a Croat in order to be their member in the Federal House of Peoples. Second, she has Croatian citizenship, lives in Croatia and is married to a Croat. Third, she opposes the Bosniak name for the nation (as you can see here, this is also a reference in the article).

--Wüstenfuchs 09:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Please acquaint yourself with the different notions of "ethnicity" vs. "nationality" (btw we have a pretty similar situation with Željko Komšić, a Bosnian politician who has been elected to represent Bosnian Croats but who is not considered Croat by Bosnian Croats themselves). Citizenship, residence and choice of spouse have very little to do with somebody's ethnicity, which is purely a self-descriptive category - i.e. Elvira is ethnically whatever she says she is, regardless of other people's opinion and regardless if she lives in Monaco, has a Dutch husband or holds a Lithuanian passport. Timbouctou (talk) 16:16, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

In order to become a delegate in House of Peoples, weather Bosniak, Serb or Croat she needed to declare herself a Croat. It was the same situation with her father, who, in order to run for the Presidency, needed to declare himself a Bosniak, even though, it was known situation that he declared as Croat prior to that, and in the article about him it says he is a Bosniak, which he is, by his own choice. Same thing here. And do not talk nonsense. What an argument is to say - Bosnian Croats do not consider Komšić a Croat - first of all, you're not in position to say what they think, and that is not what they think, and second - he himself said he is a Croat, end of story. Another problem with Elvira - she refuses to be described as a Bosniak, she considers the term inaccurate. --Wüstenfuchs 09:19, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Well all you ever hear from Bosnian Croats is their obsession with creating a third entity, the main argument promoted by at least 3-4 Croat parties being that "Croats didn't elect him", which is supported by no less than three (3) references in the Željko Komšić article. As for Elvira - it is pretty obvious that ethnic self-descriptions in Bosnia and Herzegovina are used mainly to advance someone's political career, thanks to the stone age legislation the country has. As such, emphasising them in articles serves very little informative purpose. Timbouctou (talk) 10:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Being elected by others doesn't mean Komšić isn't Croat. It's simple. As for Elvira, and this out-dated Constitution, I'm well aware of that. If we're speaking already about Komšić, some ambassador got his office, but needed to declare himself as a Croat. Prior to that he was an ambassador in the "Bosniak quota". But this is of no importance to this article. Abdić is representing Croats for 7 years now, not once she said she's not Croat. She did said she's proud to represent them. So - there is a good argument she is Croat (the Constitution), and none that she isn't. She lives in Croatia, has Croatian citizenship, is married to a Croat, represents Croat in the Parliament. It is sane to claim that she is a Croat. And I believe we actually agree on the issue. If someone appears with the reference that she is a Bosniak or Serb or something third, I cannot do nothing but to agree. But this is not the situation. --Wüstenfuchs 10:57, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Look, I don't even know who this woman is and she doesn't seem that important so I have no desire to play tug-of-war over her. SIDENOTE TO Wüstenfuchs: Can you not edit one page a million times? There is a button "Show preview" where you can review your edit and see if there is anything else in need of fixing before you "save page". I don't find it fun looking through your 20,000 edits on one page within a 20-minute period. --Sabahudin9 (talk) 11:37, 15 September 2014 (UTC)