Talk:Elsie Fisher

Verifying Middle Name

Is there any citable source for Fisher's middle name being Kate? InEventOf (talk) 08:21, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

About the usage of they as the singular pronoun

It came to my attention that Fisher themselves stated on Twitter that every sentence should have a different pronoun. However, because consistency is a key quality needed in any Wikipedia article, I think we should stick to the usage of singular they. 1TWO3Writer (talk) 03:16, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

While Twitter may say "any pronouns", every reliable source about her uses "she/her" exclusively. Twitter is not a reliable source, so I'm changing the pronouns in this article. Krychek (talk) 18:40, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

I've not read "every reliable source", but I tend to concur. Fisher's Twitter posts may be reliable for uncontroversial statements about Fisher, but changing all pronouns to something that doesn't match secondary reliable sources isn't exactly uncontroversial. Moreover, it's not like "she/her" pronouns would be in conflict with "any pronouns" statement in Fisher's Twitter profile. Any means any. The post cited above is likely an example of "mostly joking". Politrukki (talk) 21:41, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

BTW, Elsie has removed the any pronouns sticker from her twitter profile (It just says actor now) and solely uses she/her pronouns in interviews and on her other social media accounts.Jaydoggmarco (talk) 07:39, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Twitch Account

Elsie Fisher holds a twitch account (found here) which they stream on relatively often. Should that be added to the Personal Life or Career section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.154.144 (talk) 09:22, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Without secondary sources and without conducting original research, we would be limited to saying something like "Fisher streams on Twitch." I don't think that would add much useful biographical content as Fisher is not specifically known for Twitch streaming.

However, I added a link to Fisher's Twitter profile in "External links" section as an "official website". I just noticed the Twitch page also includes links to Fisher's Twitter, Instagram, and Discord. I think I'll switch the official website link to Twitch. Politrukki (talk) 22:21, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Editing for Elsie Fisher's page

How about waiting for Elsie Fisher to actually confirm if she is a nonbinary person that uses they/them pronouns. Right now, she hasn't been public about it. 2603:6010:B707:3200:D0DC:35BF:20FF:FF68 (talk) 02:15, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Indeed. We should not change the established pronouns to something that are not clearly and unambiguously supported in reliable sources. Politrukki (talk) 15:24, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Is it worth adding 'uses she/her' beneath the short description? I'm not convinced that will help much as it won't show on most mobile edits plus in my limited experience not a lot of users bother reading them or ignore them. Knitsey (talk) 15:37, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I believe there is a local consensus against changing the pronouns, and using a hidden note might be helpful. Perhaps it would be somewhat useful to add a softly worded note next to the first pronoun, something like this: "please consult the talk page discussions before changing gender pronouns" As you imply, it will likely ignored by the so-called drive-by editors (I mean either inexperienced editors or well-meaning editors who have not familiarised themselves with a specific talk page discussion), but may be helpful for drawing some editors' attention to the discussion. Politrukki (talk) 16:06, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I will add it now. If anyone wants to change it then feel free to revert me. Or if she changes pronouns of course. Knitsey (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for adding that and fixing "Actor" to "Actress" in the infobox. (There is still at least one inconsistent wording left: "She have appeared")

However, I have now found two sources and that say Fisher uses they/them pronouns: The Wrap and BuzzFeed (the latter I can't even find with Google using a "vanilla" search). Both were published a couple of weeks ago, whereas back in the 2022 The Wrap said Fisher "has no pronoun preference".[1] I will add a mention of they/them pronouns in the "Life and career" section using the August 2023 sources.

Based on this new evidence, does anyone oppose changing the pronouns to "they" and "actor" to "actress"? Politrukki (talk) 21:05, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Buzzfeed (as opposed to Buzzfeed News) has a mixed rating at WP:RS so having another ref would be best. The Wrap isn't listed so I've no idea about that? Knitsey (talk) 21:20, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Hehe, didn't remember WP:BUZZFEED and WP:BUZZFEEDNEWS are separate things. You're right, BuzzFeed is rather low-quality source for this. I'm not removing that source at least right now, but I don't mind if someone else does.

The Wrap is actually listed at Perennial sources. I wouldn't focus on the description there too much: the listing is based on two lowly-participated discussions (I now see that I participated the second one) and there has never been a thorough discussion of The Wrap's overall reliability. I think the 2023 article is reliable enough for this context. Sometimes The Wrap engages in low-effort reporting (publishing stories about short cable news segments or social media postings) that should be avoided in biographies, but in this case the author has engaged in actual journalism by interviewing people. Politrukki (talk) 08:19, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

This thread and the refusal to utilize gender-neutral terms throughout Elsie’s page is transphobic. If Elsie uses they/them pronouns in their personal life, as the page states, their Wikipedia page should reflect that. Many of @Politrukki’s edits and comments on Wikipedia are incredibly right-wing. @Politrukki should not be the end-all decider for someone’s page. M00seStation (talk) 21:14, 1 September 2023 (UTC)