Talk:Elliott from Earth

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Premiered in the UK

Elliott from Earth premiered on Cartoon Network in the UK on Saturday March 6, 2021, with the four part special "Wednesday" airing from 10am GMT/UTC.

Source : https://twitter.com/RegularTweetsUK/status/1355244017760538626

Original air date in Episodes Table

This article is a bit of a mess. If it's a UK production, and it aired in the UK first, then its the United Kingdom air dates that should be listed in the Original air date column in the episodes table, not the U.S. air dates. (If people wants to also list the U.S. air dates, they'll need to add another (alt) air date column for that.) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:23, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Since its a UK production, using the UK dates (alongside the US) is more helpful and could work like Gumball's season articles. We just need sources for the other 12 episodes ("Wednesday" is already listed to have premiered on March 6). – ChannelSpider (talk) 22:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have this similar issue with the It's Pony article. It's Pony is a British production like Elliot from Earth, yet the episodes are listed in American broadcast order. It's Pony aired in the US in January 2020, but didn't air in the UK until 3 months later. But even at that, I think the episode list should be in the UK broadcast order, instead of US, considering that It's Pony is a British production, the American airdates can be kept in an alt date column.

Another series, Ollie's Pack, also had the same issue. Having to be in American broadcast order, yet the series is a CANADIAN PRODUCTION. However, Magitroopa thought that being in the US broadcast order is fine.^[1] That reference right here is a MOS:TVINTL edit.

Originally, I thought of switching to American broadcast order with the 101 Dalmatian Street article, but because of you IJBall, I don't have to do that anymore. I know that the British airdates aren't sourced in the article, but a source for them exists, like this reference here, which has the official premiere date for the first episode.^[2] However, I don't know if that counts as WP:RS. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 22:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The thing regarding those other shows (It's Pony and Ollie's Pack) would be A) The shows/episodes of the show premiered in the US prior to country of origin airing, and B) There are no sources for the country of origin's episode airdates. There also may be the case that the US airdate is the same airdate as country of origin.

It's Pony has nothing regarding its airing in the United Kingdom (should be added if reliably sourced..), and Ollie's Pack has nothing other than the 'Broadcast' saying that the Canadian premiere was September 5, 2020- however, that doesn't even give what episode it is, and there are no other airdates known/sourced for the series, meaning all it actually has is the US airdates.

Even Total DramaRama has a bit of an issue regarding this- premiered in the US in September 2018 and didn't premiere in Canada until the next month. The LoE article does list both Canadian and US airdates, but only the US airdates are actually sourced. I'd tried finding a source for the Canadian airdates in the past, but have yet to find one. Considering that most of the episode aired in the US first and there is no source at all for any Canadian airdates, I'm thinking of possibly even removing the Canadian airdates entirely (unless an actual source for the information can be found/used...)

That being said, Elliott from Earth is not a show I've watched before, but if there's sourcing for them that can be found/used, then yes, the UK airdates should indeed be the 'Original airdate' listed and US can be listed as 'Alt airdates' (as IJBall mentioned above). Magitroopa (talk) 22:56, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not "standard" WP:TV practice (they want it always to be the country of origin), but for some shows I think it's OK to list the airdates for the first country that airs a show, even if it's not the "country of origin". (This goes double if it's a binational production.) So, for It's Pony, etc., I think going in the U.S. broadcast air dates and order is OK, if it aired there first. (There would be no predjudice to adding an 'airdate' column for UK air dates on top of that...)

But, for this article, the country of origin is the UK, and it aired in the UK first, so the (primary listed) airdates should really be the UK air dates. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:56, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did put the "citation needed" note on the 101 Dalmatian Street article for UK airdates. 101DS originally aired UK, but I can't find any sources on the UK airdates that are at least reliable. There is the TV24 reference I did mention, but again, don't if it is WP:RS or not. And, thank you Magitroopa for making me understand why there is the US airdates for It's Pony and Ollie's Pack, rather than there country of origin airdates. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 00:16, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Two things: First, yes, agreed with what you said, IJBall. In the case of this show with that information, yes, the 'original' dates should be the CoO, but if at all possible, they should still be sourced rather than a 'say & believe' the dates are accurate without any sourcing. Also, taking a quick glance at this article, would think that if possible, some sourcing should be updated to better sources (if available)- sources such as this tweet in the lead should try to be avoided if possible...

Second- BaldiBasicsFan, taking a quick look at the 101 D's article, I'm not quite sure how good of a source the TVPassport link is in the episode table. You shouldn't remove just based off of what I'm saying, but as far as I've used the site, I've found plenty of incorrect/unupdated information there. I mainly used it back during the run of the recent Double Dare revival, but there's plenty of incorrect information there, even still now (Ex: episode listed as "Team Triple Threat vs. Ravenpuff Daredogs" yet the actual episode title/team names are "Team Triple Threat vs. Wonder Triplet Power", quite a few duplicates in season 2 as well such as "SpongeBob Week Game 1" and "SB #1"). Magitroopa (talk) 00:39, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Magitroopa I know that not all reliable sources have correct information, but TVPassport, while it can provide me good information with the List of My Little Pony: Pony Life episodes article, it does have it's downs. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 01:01, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

The show hasn't ended!

Why are people still believing it is? Where is the information that SAYS it ended? 2A00:23C7:D481:C101:388D:58D3:50BC:BF4D (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ollie%27s_Pack&diff=976391920&oldid=976391076

[2] ttps://tv24.co.uk/channel/disney-channel-uk-hd/2019-03-18

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