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@Adult Virgin, I've removed your re-insertion of material to the infobox that Rodger was a) "author of the modern incel ideology" and b) that they were part of a movement "Incels". Both do not belong in the infobox as they are original research. Per WP:BLPUNDEL andWP:ONUS you are required to obtain consensus prior to restoring the material or similar. Please discuss the material here. TarnishedPathtalk01:25, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it isn't original research
it was the original description of what he was known for, that someone correctly placed there months ago
then someone changed it, and then someone else removed it altogether
he is definitely not JUST known for being the Perpetrator of the 2014 Isla Vista Killings
If it's not original research where are your reliable sources which label them as the "author of the modern incel ideology". Where are the reliable sources which say that they were part of a movement called "incels"? TarnishedPathtalk03:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TarnishedPath - While I don't agree with using the labels founding father' or author, there is a general consensus amongst scholarly literature that Rodger is associated with the incel movement/ideology, and is frequently referred to as the first. On May 23, 2014, Elliot Rodger, 22, became the world’s most notorious incel violence perpetrator.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]Isaidnoway(talk)16:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Entirely agree. My objection has to do with giving him titles, such as "author of the modern incel ideology". Or attributing him to a movement called "Incels", when it only got that label of being a movement after his heinous violence. I don't think such things have a place in the infobox. TarnishedPathtalk00:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Referring to Elliot Rodger as the "Founding Father of the incel ideology" in the infobox
No to founding father, but I would support something along the lines of first known or first recognized as more neutral and clinical. Rodger has become a celebrated figure and martyr among the incel community for committing the first known incel-based attack.[10] The manifesto published by the first recognised incel attacker, Elliot Rodger in 2014.[11] The Isla Vista attack is recognized as the pivotal moment where misogynist incels coalesced as a movement.[12] Incel ideology has been linked to dozens of murders and assaults over the past decade, the most prominent one involving Elliot Rodger.[13]Isaidnoway(talk)09:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No: While there are reliable sources which refer to Rodger as the "founding father", they are small in number and appear to be mostly quoting others. It would therefore be WP:UNDUE to call Rodger the "founding father of incel ideology" in Wikivoice in the infobox. TarnishedPathtalk09:54, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, or something similar
he's definitely definitely not JUST known for being the Perpetrator of the Isla Vista Killings, that's downright stupid
he was referred to as the author of the incel ideology in the infobox for months before someone tampered with it
I can provide several reliable sources that refer to him in a similar way if I must
^Costello, William; Rolon, Vania; Thomas, Andrew G.; Schmitt, David (12 September 2022). "Levels of Well-Being Among Men Who Are Incel (Involuntarily Celibate)". Evolutionary Psychological Science. 8 (4): 375–390. doi:10.1007/s40806-022-00336-x. Incels, or involuntary celibates ... most notable is the notorious case of Elliot Rodger, who in 2014 killed six people
^DeCook, Julia R. (June 2021). "Castration, the archive, and the incel wiki". Psychoanalysis, Culture & Society. 26 (2): 234–243. doi:10.1057/s41282-021-00212-w. Incels are a misogynistic online subculture that often celebrates and calls for violence against women, entered the public discourse when Elliot Rodger committed a mass murder in Isla Vista, California, in 2014
^Moldrup, Benjamin H. B.; Jensen, Asger (March 2024). "Hidden Tragedies of the Self: the Stalemate of Involuntary Celibacy". Human Arenas. 7 (1): 156–165. doi:10.1007/s42087-021-00263-6. Consider for a moment, first, the actions of terrorist Elliot Rodger ... the Isla Vista killings altered the public, academic, and social representation of inceldom.
"Sophy prescribed the antipsychotic drug Risperidone ..." Please change "Risperidone" to "risperidone". It's a generic name that should not be capitalized. 203.211.104.189 (talk) 17:04, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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