Talk:Ellen Dannin

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Science and Academia

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the science and academia work group (assessed as Low-importance).

Organized Labour Mid‑importance

	Organized Labour portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Organized Labour, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to Organized Labour on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Organized LabourWikipedia:WikiProject Organized LabourTemplate:WikiProject Organized Labourorganized labour articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

United States: Pennsylvania State University Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Pennsylvania State University (assessed as Low-importance).

Women writers Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women writers, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women writers on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women writersWikipedia:WikiProject Women writersTemplate:WikiProject Women writersWomen writers articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Removing the "This article has multiple issues" template

MathPerson here. I recently made a number of changes to this article.

I believe that the "This article has multiple issues" template can now be removed because the issues raised there have been addressed.

Two issues are raised in this template: (1) more citations are needed (2) the neutrality of this article is disputed.

Regarding (1): I have recently inserted a number of citations that document claims made in the article.

Regarding (2): Although no examples were cited, I did notice a few bits of wording that could be regarded as non-neutral. I have recently removed the examples of non-neutral language that I could find.

If anyone has either (1) examples of statements in this article that need citations, or (2) examples of non-neutral language, please enter them below. I'd be happy to fix them up. (Or, you can!) Otherwise, if nobody has any objections, I will plan to remove the template in a week or two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MathPerson (talk • contribs) 20:26, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just passing by, but there's much that isn't sourced, and neutrality may well still be an issue. 'Research interests' may easily be interpreted as a promotion on behalf of a single book, with largely unsourced descriptions of its content, and whose notability hasn't been established. 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 20:33, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- Yeah, you're right: The largest pararaph in this section is basically laudatory reviews of the book. I suggest that I remove the reviews of the book, and shorten the summary of what the book covers. My goal is to make this page neutral enough to remove the "POV" (non-neutrality) complaints. So, while I'm at it, is there anything else that is non-neutral? MathPerson (talk) 23:28, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- - Both the education and career sections lack inline cites, and I'm skeptical about the use of a subject's resume as a source, in this case for college achievements that probably don't merit mention here anyway. Strictly speaking that's a sourcing rather than a POV issue, but the one bleeds into the other a bit. 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 00:57, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- - - I'll try to dig up cites for education and career. I think the subject's CV is acceptable because it would have been gone over with a fine-tooth comb by the Penn State search committee before she was offered the job there. MathPerson (talk) 23:58, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- - - I just made many revisions and some updates and added more citations. Most changes are in "Research Interests", to (1) de-emphasize the book, (2) add more info about her other writings. As far as I can ascertain, all "opinions" are removed. A few statements still refer to Dannin's resume, which, as I've noted, has been vetted by others; moreover, "Living persons may publish material about themselves" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Using_the_subject_as_a_self-published_source) Is there anything that is still "non-neutral" ? MathPerson (talk) 23:19, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- - - - OK, seeing no objections or further suggested changes, I'll remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MathPerson (talk • contribs) 17:20, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]