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Response to request for speedy deletion

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My plan was to complete the section "Enterprises" today that will provide information about why she was a significant historical figure - and inducted into the Colorado Women's Hall of Fame. As an elderly pioneer woman she made sigificant impact on the lives of people in the now Fort Collins area: Had the first grist mill built in the area, the 2nd in the state. Created a brick-building plant for better materials for building homes and other buildings. Ran hotels in the area. The first school in the area was run from her home, etc.

So, yes, I contest the speedy deletion. I'll get more info in and hopefully that will help demonstrate it better. I have much more to get into this article, including use of more sources.--CaroleHenson (talk) 16:51, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No need to contest. The speedy request was declined. Could do with some beefing up though, so good to hear that is on its way. - Sitush (talk) 17:36, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, thanks! I think (possibly biased <g>) that it's going to be an interesting article about early Colorado history by a woman who was for some time the only permanent woman living in that area.--CaroleHenson (talk) 17:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, an autobiography, then. I think that you are discouraged from writing those here. :P - Sitush (talk) 18:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Funny!--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Self-published?

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It seems as if the book by Wommack is self-published:

  • the copyright is in her name (not alone an indicator)
  • Caxton Press is said to have "bound and lithographed" the book
  • It is not, nor is anyone else, listed as the publisher.

Is there something I'm missing that indicates the book is not self-published? Thanks!--CaroleHenson (talk) 15:22, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's quite a reputable press - not a vanity press. If it were Lulu or something like that, you'd know it's self-published. The Caxton Press website shows that they do both - printing of books and publishing of books - and Wommack is known for her books about Colorado history, so might be a good idea to determine for sure whether it's self-published before saying it is. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 15:41, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
To close this out, changed "possibly" or "likely self-published for Caxton to "binder, lithographer". It seems curious to me that Caxton would not identify themselves as the publisher, but who knows.--CaroleHenson (talk) 16:08, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Caxton is identified as the publisher everywhere the book is listed, such as Amazon, Google books, etc. Unless you have a reliable source that Caxton was not the publisher, please leave the unsupported conjecture out of the citation. Yworo (talk) 16:11, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yworo is right. I checked WorlCat, Amazon, the Caxton website, Wommack's website. We don't have a source telling us it's self-published, and until we do, we can't identify it as such, particularly when the press is a reputable press. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 16:14, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

retry, edit conflict

This seems to be an emotional issue and the days of polite discourse dwindling. There were reasons (mentioned above) why I identified it as "possibly self-published" but since there's this seems to an emotional issue and in the long run not a huge issue, I am totally cool with dropping it.--CaroleHenson (talk) 16:18, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all emotional. You posted about the article on a talkpage that I read, I had a look. As it happens it's a subject I know very well. I noted the edit to the publisher. As it happens, I'm also very familiar with Caxton Press' work. I made a change. You reverted & posted on the talkpage. I responded. There's nothing emotional here. This is how Wikipedia works. I also don't see anything here that's not polite. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 16:23, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, that's good to hear! Thanks, TK. There's no point in going into what I interpretted as inpolite or scolding. It is good to see another common interest, though!--CaroleHenson (talk) 16:31, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wild Bill

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Is there any chance that one of the teenage sons she was left to raise was Wild Bill ? The dates are about right, but it's hard to tell. He did spend a lot of time in Colorado, although I see that's not in his biography. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 17:05, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That would be a fun connection! Her maiden name was Hickok and married names were Robbins and Stone. Was "Hickok" Wild Bill's last name (or possibly took his mother's maiden name)?--CaroleHenson (talk) 17:14, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
When he was born in 1837, Elizabeth was in St. Louis, Missouri (across the river from Ill.) and the family moved to Chester, Illinois in 1840.--CaroleHenson (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I saw that. Probably not, but a coincidence with the names. Not that usual of a name, and not that many people in that part of the country at that time. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 17:51, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It was an interesting question! I wondered if he might have been her nephew - thinking that like many families, they often migrated together - but it with a bit of exploration it doesn't look like it. Like you say, though, it's an unusual last name so it's possible there's some connection.--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:22, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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