Talk:Elizabeth Raleigh

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Previous children

(note from User:Jethrock moved here from article page): according to this article... Bess had two previous children with Sir W.R., which is wrong. By citing your same sources "Anna Beer" etc. She had two children after her conviction... and time spent at the tower. Not Prior.

I found a fairly reliable family tree online that lists 2 prior (5 in all) and I'll reference it when I find it again. It makes sense given their long courtship. Hm - no problem being obviously pregnant, but being fired for getting married. How times change. David Brooks 15:06, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Weir

"Weir alleges that Elizabeth Carew had earlier been the mistress of Henry VIII,..."

Who exactly is Weir? Author Alison Weir? It is not mentioned anywhere else in the article.

I saw this and thought I'd find my copy of Alison Weir's book Henry VIII The King and His Court to see if there were any references to this assertion in it, and sure enough there are. The first appears on page 123 where she states, "Henry may also have enjoyed the favours of Bryan's gorgeous sister Elizabeth, who was married to another favoured courtier, Sir Nicholas Carew; the King gave her 'many beautiful diamonds and pearls and innumerable jewels' that were, strictly speaking, the property of the Queen." She cites to the Calendar of State Papers: Spanish for this.

The second reference comes on page 172, "That same month, Suffolk, then in France, added a postscript to a letter to Henry, asking him to remind 'Mistress Blount and Mistress Carew' to reply to him when he wrote to them or sent them love tokens. This implies that the King and Suffolk were on terms of familiarity with both ladies. Indeed, they may well have shared their favours." She doesn't give a citation to which letter from Suffolk this is in.

Even though Weir does seemingly allege Lady Elizabeth Carew was at one time a mistress of King Henry VIII, I'm not sure this should be mentioned on this page, since she isn't alleging Henry was actually the grandfather of Bess Throckmorton. Any thoughts? GatorJen (talk) 02:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can we get a BETTER source than Weir? Anyone? Lady Meg (talk) 23:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Why call her "Elizabeth Raleigh" when she's universally referred to as Bess or Elizabeth Throckmorton?

I just came here to ask the same thing. She was actually known as "Bess Throckmorton". No one knows who "Elizabeth Raleigh" is. And it would be "Lady Elizabeth Raleigh" as her husband was knighted. I would love if someone changed this to "Bess Throckmorton" or "Elizabeth Throckmorton". Yup. Just my two cents. Lady Meg (talk) 23:22, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Inaccuracies in first two paragraphs

The first paragraph states: "Her pregnancy in the summer of 1591 led to their secret marriage; she gave birth to a baby boy named Damerei, after Sir Walter's claimed ancestors, and immediately returned to court. The child died aged six months old in October 1591 of plague." If the child died aged six months old in October 1591, unless the date of death is inaccurate, the child must have been born in April 1591. Therefore, how could Elizabeth Throckmorton have been pregnant during the summer of 1591?

The second paragraph states: "The marriage was discovered on 31 May 1592, and the Queen, who required ladies-in-waiting to get her permission to marry, had Raleigh arrested and imprisoned in the Tower of London and Elizabeth expelled from court. She obtained quarters near her husband at the Tower, where their child probably died." If the child died after Raleigh's imprisonment in 1592, how could the child have died in October of 1591?

In her book, The Life of Elizabeth I (1998), the British author and historian, Alison Weir states Throckmorton's and Raleigh's first child was conceived by July of 1591. She states the couple was married "in great secrecy" in the autumn of 1591, and the child was born in March of 1592. She states Queen Elizabeth I first became aware in May of 1592 of the couple's offense of marrying without royal permission. She then summoned Raleigh back from his expedition in Panama and imprisoned both him and Bess in the Tower in June of 1592. He was released from the Tower that August, but remained out of favor for five years. Bess was released from the Tower in December of 1592, at which time, she joined her husband at his Devon estate, Sherborne Castle. Annahjo2 (talk) 14:45, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]