Talk:Elizabeth II/GA1

GA Review

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Hey all. I'll be reviewing this article for possible GA status. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 02:49, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article has some serious issues that preclude it from achieving GA status as-is. However, to allow contributors opportunity to address my concerns, I am placing the article on hold. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:55, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Writing and formatting

"and called "Lilibet"" -> "and was called "Lilibet""
- Corrected
Should be consistent in whether quote marks close before or after punctuation marks.
- Whole sentences have quote marks after the punctuation mark, fragments have quote marks before punctuation, per WP:MoS
"Caesarian section" -> "Caesarean section"
- Corrected
Would suggest direct-linking to the section on 1st Buckingham Palace Company
- Done
"dubbing Philip as" -> "dubbing Philip"
- Corrected
What does the term "cadet relative" mean?
- Removed
"During their Maltese visits, the children remained in Britain" - here, "their" seems to refer to the children, but it should be the parents
- Corrected
"embarked on a six month, around the world tour" - should use hyphens
- Corrected
"though the Prime Minister Eden, denied it" - either extraneous comma (and the) or missing comma, take your pick
- Corrected
"are you there Mr. Prime Minister?", -> shouldn't end with a comma
- Corrected
"However, evidence mounted that their relationship had hardened as the years passed,[89] until it was revealed in May 2007 that the Queen was "exasperated and frustrated" by Blair's actions, especially by what she saw as a detachment from rural issues, as well as a too-casual approach (he requested that the Queen call him "Tony") and a contempt for British heritage" - run-on sentence
- Split into two sentences and shortened.
"Elizabeth could become the longest-lived British head of state (surpassing Richard Cromwell) on 29 January 2012, the longest-reigning monarch in British history (surpassing Queen Victoria) on 10 September 2015 at age 89, and the longest-reigning monarch in European history (surpassing King Louis XIV of France) on 26 May 2024, when she would be 98" - why are there ages for two dates? I would argue for either one or all three. Also, should maintain the "at age..." construction for the last age (if it is kept).
- "at age" added for other two ages
Instead of blood pressure, consider linking to hypertension
- switched
The long quote under "Canadian national unity" might be better off summarized and cited than simply quoted
- Removed
Why are some of her titles only mentioned in the lead and not in the "titles" section?
- They've been split off into List of titles and honours of Queen Elizabeth II
  - Which means (I assume) that the less notable ones have been excluded from the titles section? In that case, these definitely shouldn't be in the lead. Put the most notable/ best-known titles in the lead, an expanded list in the titles section, and the full list in the daughter article.
"Elizabeth has received a many honours" - remove "a"
- Corrected
"Bibliography" is the term generally used for books written by the subject of the article. I would suggest making the previous section "Notes" and this one "References"
- Corrected

Accuracy and verifiability

The lead says she is the fourth-longest-reigning British monarch, but it says third-longest later in the article. Which is correct?
- Resolved
- This is not resolved at all. As I stated above in the talk section, Queen Elizabeth II is currently the fourth longest reigning sovereign in the history of the British Isles. The article states 'third' (which is wrong: 1) Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland 63 years, 2) King George III of Great Britain and subsequently the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland 59 years, 3) King James VI of Scotland just under 58 years 4) Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland 57 years and closing in on James VI fast); and 'British/English' which is about as confused a terminology that you can devise for describing the political development of these islands. You need to use the term 'British Isles' because 1) England ceased to exist as a sovereign state in 1707 2) the term 'British' does not actually exist as a political entity: it's Great Britain (1707-1801), or the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland/Northern Ireland (1801-present). Can you change this please?Ds1994 (talk) 15:39, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Changed to "third-longest-reigning monarch of the United Kingdom"
All quotations need citations for GA status

I believe this one is done

Citations needed for:

To the dismay of the royal family, Crawford later published a biography

Cited

her Guides badges

Removed

There was some suggestion that the two princesses be evacuated to Canada

Reference at the end of the sentence

The ideas were rejected by the Home Secretary, on the grounds that it might cause conflict between north and south Wales

Reference at the end of the sentence

Before the marriage, Philip renounced his Greek and Danish titles, and adopted the style Lieutenant Philip Mountbatten, the surname adopted by his mother's family

Cited

The marriage was not without controversy: Philip was Greek Orthodox, had no financial standing, and had sisters who had married German noblemen with Nazi links

cited

The wedding was seen as the first glimmer of a hope of rebirth

Removed

Elizabeth and Philip received over 2,500 wedding gifts from around the world

Removed

In post-war Britain, it was not acceptable for any of the Duke of Edinburgh's German relations to be invited to the wedding

Not done

in the words of Martin Charteris, "the Queen was naturally sympathetic towards the Princess, but I think she thought – she hoped – given time, the affair would peter out."

Cited

She became the first reigning monarch of Australia and New Zealand to visit those nations

added 2 refs

Eden recommended that Elizabeth consult...

Reference at the end of the paragraph

In both 1957 and 1963, the Queen came under criticism for appointing the Prime Minister on the advice of a small number of ministers, or a single minister

Reference at the end of the paragraph

During a trip to Ghana, she refused to keep her distance from President Kwame Nkrumah, despite him being a target for assassins

done

In 1969, Elizabeth sent one of 73 Apollo 11 Goodwill Messages to NASA for the historic first lunar landing

Text changed to match the citation at the end of the paragraph

The Queen took a deep interest in the constitutional debate, especially following the failure of Bill C-60

Cited

Commentators were universally shocked by the apparent attack on the Queen's life, even after it was revealed that the shots fired were blanks

removed

it was rumoured that Elizabeth was worried that Thatcher's economic policies fostered social divisions

Reference at the end of the sentence

Thatcher later clearly conveyed her personal admiration for the Queen, and expressed her belief that the idea of animosity between the two of them had been played up because they were both women

fixed

The Queen called 1992 her "annus horribilis" in a speech on 24 November 1992

Cited

In 1991, she became the first British monarch to address a joint session of the United States Congress

done

It was initially thought that Elizabeth had very good relations with Tony Blair

Removed

until it was revealed in May 2007 that the Queen was "exasperated and frustrated" by Blair's actions, especially by what she saw as a detachment from rural issues, as well as a too-casual approach (he requested that the Queen call him "Tony") and a contempt for British heritage

Cited

Elizabeth was rumoured to have shown concern that the British Armed Forces were overstretched, particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as "surprise" over Blair's shifting of their weekly meetings from Tuesday to Wednesday afternoons

Concern cited; surprise (though citable) removed

Relations between the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh and Blair and his wife, Cherie, were reported to be distant, as the two couples shared few common interests

Though citable, removed as essentially repeats information already given earlier in the paragraph

In 2005, she was the first Canadian monarch to address the Legislative Assembly of Alberta

added ref

While she continues to have what is described as excellent health and is seldom ill

Not done

While Buckingham Palace did not comment, medical experts stated that the Queen would have suffered no pain, and would be back to normal within a week or two, without lasting damage. However, they also mentioned that burst blood vessels, though common in the elderly, could be a sign of high blood pressure

Not done

in November 2006, there were worries that the Queen would not be well enough to open the British parliament, and, though she was able to attend, plans were drawn up to cover her possible absence

Not done

Sandringham House and Balmoral Castle are privately owned by the Queen, having inherited them from her father on his death, along with the Duchy of Lancaster, itself valued at £310 million and which transferred a private income to the monarch of £9.811 million in 2006. Income from the British Crown Estate—with holdings of £7 billion—is transferred to her British treasury in return for Civil List payments

resolved

When told that the separatists were showing a lead in the polls, Elizabeth revealed that she felt the "referendum may go the wrong way", adding, "if I can help in any way, I will be happy to do so." However, she pointedly refused to accept the advice, from the man whom she believed to be Chrétien, that she intervene in the referendum without seeing a draft speech first

Removed

Elizabeth personally worships with the Anglican church

Not done

When in conversation with the Queen, the practice is to initially address her as Your Majesty and thereafter as Ma'am.

Cited

Elizabeth has been Colonel-in-Chief, Captain-General, Air-Commodore-in-Chief, Commissioner, Brigadier, Commandant-in-Chief, and Royal Colonel of at least 96 units and formations throughout the Commonwealth

Removed

Following her marriage, these arms were impaled with those of the Duke of Edinburgh (and might also want to explain what "impaled" means in this context)

Not done

This same badge is also used as the Queen's personal flag for her role as Head of the Commonwealth, or for visiting Commonwealth countries where she is not head of state

Not done

Should "Windsor" be included as part of her name in the lead?
- This has been contentious in the past, e.g. Talk:Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom/Archive 15#The Queen's "surname"
Note which of the links require log-in or subscription

Not done

Ref 45 needs to be expanded
- Removed
The links to the official website are all redirected to its home page, instead of the intended target
- Updated
Ref 57 has redundant dating
- Removed
Refs 89, 117, 118 appear to be broken
- Removed or corrected
Need publisher for Ref 94

added

Need consistent formatting for "Further reading" entries

fixed

External link 5 is broken
- Removed
Should not have the same site in both "References" and "External links"

fixed?

Broad

No issues noted

Neutrality

Numerous violations of WP:WTA and WP:Weasel, adding an editorial bias to the article which needs to be addressed

Stability

While there are no ongoing edit wars, there have been minor issues with stability in the past, including a recent naming dispute. These issues are not, however, significant enough to merit a fail on this criterion.
- The naming dispute is ongoing and shows no signs of abating, not very stable. Lizzie Harrison 18:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Lizwar.jpg is tagged as lacking author information

Not done

Qu&DoE_Wedding.png no longer has a fair-use rationale because of issues with the "Historic fur" tag. This needs to be addressed before GA status can be achieved

Removed

Queencrown.jpg is missing a fair-use rationale, and the source is a broken link

Not done

EIIR-Aus-1.jpg needs a fair-use rationale specific to this article

Removed

Blason_Elizabeth_Alexandra_Mary_du_Royaume-Uni.svg‎'s description needs to be completely translated - only a partial translation is present

Translated

Follow-up

Looks like there's been plenty of improvement on the article; there are, however, a few more issues that need to be dealt with, as well as a couple of minor problems brought in by recent edits. For simplicity, I will reiterate what still needs to be done.

Formatting, refs 94 and 121
References needed for:

In post-war Britain, it was not acceptable for any of the Duke of Edinburgh's German relations to be invited to the wedding
While she continues to have what is described as excellent health and is seldom ill
While Buckingham Palace did not comment, medical experts stated that the Queen would have suffered no pain, and would be back to normal within a week or two, without lasting damage. However, they also mentioned that burst blood vessels, though common in the elderly, could be a sign of high blood pressure
in November 2006, there were worries that the Queen would not be well enough to open the British parliament, and, though she was able to attend, plans were drawn up to cover her possible absence
Elizabeth personally worships with the Anglican church
Following her marriage, these arms were impaled with those of the Duke of Edinburgh (and might also want to explain what "impaled" means in this context)
This same badge is also used as the Queen's personal flag for her role as Head of the Commonwealth, or for visiting Commonwealth countries where she is not head of state

Note which of the links require log-in or subscription
violations of WP:WTA and WP:Weasel, adding an editorial bias to the article which needs to be addressed
The title of the article is still actively debated, and the page was moved and reverted recently
Lizwar.jpg is tagged as lacking author information
Queencrown.jpg is missing a fair-use rationale, and the source is a broken link

Definitely improving, but the majority of these issues need to be addressed before promotion. Ask on my talk page if you have any questions. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 19:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Given that this article has been on hold for well over a month, I'm inclined to fail it if the remaining issues aren't addressed within the week. Please ask questions here or at my talk page, and finish up these last few things so that the article can be promoted. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 15:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bermuda seems to be missing from this site. The Queen is the Queen of Bermuda!