Talk:Elisa (company)

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A paid editor made contributions to this article, and has disclosed that fact on this page, therefore the paid contributions template is a matter of fact and does not require discussion. Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:30, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The lede is sourced exclusively to primary, non-independent sources. These sources are usable in very specific contexts. But using them for major portions of the content is usually a notability or promotional red flag. This problem is also present in the rest of the article. Note that this does not apply only to the company website but also to other sources such as press releases (examples: 1, 2). In short: the article needs more reliable sources and less reliance on material written by the company itself. --MarioGom (talk) 17:46, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello MarioGom! At the time you commented there were 29 references used and over half (16) of them were Elisa's own sources. The figures are now 4 out of 34. So does this support the removal of Paid template or are there still other problems in the article?Jjanhone (talk) 11:05, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did a cursory review of the latest additions:

In 2014, Elisa was reportedly one of the world's first telecom operators using unlimited data as the basis for their monthly invoicing.

This information is not correct. The cited source has a correction at the bottom with some explanation. Unlimited data plans were much older. And by no means 2014 was an early mover date. As of 2012, DoCoMo and KDDI already offered unlimited data plans ([2]). I couldn't find the exact date this kind of plan was introduced, but I guess it may have been much earlier in some advanced markets. MarioGom (talk) 16:11, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also this:

In 2011 Elisa opened the biggest webstore in Finland selling E-books.

The source seems to say it had 400 ebooks in 2011, is that right? If that's the case, claiming that it was the biggest in Finland would be incorrect.

In general, I would suggest you to never believe your clients when they say they are the first, the biggest, the best at something. Most PR departments come up with false or heavily distorted claims like that. MarioGom (talk) 16:26, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unlimited flat rate data plans were actually much earlier in Finland. DNA had a unlimited data plan for consumers early as 200?-2003. It transformed to business users only in 2003.[3] In any case the Elisa was not first. Zache (talk) 06:36, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, I don't think that person in the interview tries to say that Elisa was first, but the context is in the 4G generation of the mobile technology and viable business models which makes more sense. --Zache (talk) 06:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The texts are now changed: "In 2011 Elisa opened a webstore selling E-books." (I think it was biggest at the time being but as we don't know the current status, let it be like this). "In 2014, Elisa started using unlimited data as the basis for their monthly invoicing. The price was based on the data transfer speed. Soon other operators operating in Finland switched to similar pricing model. As a result Finland became one of the leaders in the mobile data usage." Helsingin Sanomat says that Finland is the leading country in mobile data usage but instead of that I say "one of the leaders". There is also liikenne- ja viestintäministeriön kansliapäällikkö (Chief of Staff of the Ministry of Transport and Communications) Harri Pursiainen interviewed in the article. He says ”Nimenomaan Elisa tämän aloitti. Muiden oli seurattava perässä. Meillä [ministeriössä] tätä on pidetty erittäin hyvänä." (“It was Elisa who started this. The others had to follow. We [in the ministry] have considered this to be very good.") If you think it is not an important detail, feel free to remove it? Jjanhone (talk) 07:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pinging previous editors of this article to come and evaluate if the Paid tag could now be removed or if there's still something that should be corrected. So hello and cheers Tom.Reding, Davey2010, Spicy, Kaihsu, Gotitbro, Mbssbs, Adrianwo. Jjanhone (talk) 09:09, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]