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Her Last name

She married to Eyüp Can Sağlık, and her last name has officially been Sağlık. So, should we change the heading with Elif Sağlık? 85.100.174.237 22:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC)hakand[reply]

Ancestry?

What is Elif's ancestry? J87

She is Turkish, but born in France. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Denatval (talk • contribs) 19:12, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I know she's "Turkish" and born in France,but she's European looking which probably means she has Balkan or Caucasian ancestry since the "Turks" of Turkey look like Arabs. J87

Reply toj87: Thats the biggest load of crud ive heard in a long time. She's Turkish through and through. She is a self hating Turk but that doesn't change the fact thats she;s Turkish. Nowadays its extremely profitable to be a self-hating Turk. It even gets you nobel prizes!

I'm that j87! And what do you mean she's Turkish through and through? I know she's only Turkish in that she's a citizen of Turkey but she's defenetly not Turkish in ETHNIC ancestry.I know most ethnic Turks of Turkey look like Arabs,like her husband Eyup Can.Elif looks European and beautiful.--Jandkay (talk) 09:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Um, since when do Turks look like Arabs, especially considering that they're an entirely different ethnic group? Arabs are much browner in skin tone and have darker hair. They just look completely different lol! I wonder whether you've actually MET any Turkish people before. Runningfridgesrule (talk) 21:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

this is disgusting racist talk here. who cares who looks like what? (by the way, I am a Turk but i think Arabs are much more beautiful then Turks and europeans, but that is "more like an opinion") —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.66.84.185 (talk) 22:28, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Quote"Elif looks European and beautiful"Quote This conversation is ridiculous, and it is sad to see that Wiki is vandalized with these racist remarks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.100.201.225 (talk) 15:16, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Elif Shafak Photo

I upoaded the photo ElifShafak MuammerYanmaz Wiki.jpg to Elif's page and it is marked for deletion. I am Elif's literary agent and she sent me this photo after Muammer Yanmaz gave it to her. What can I do to fix this problem? Any help is appreciated. Michael Radulescu (talk) 16:08, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did you see the File permission problem with File:ElifShafak MuammerYanmaz Wiki.jpg section on your talk page? Can you provide any proofs that shows the creator of the file agreed to license it under the given license? If not, we may continue to use the one used on Turkish Wiki. Sarimurat (talk) 22:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography

Bibliography part is very confusing and incorrect. "Turkish" section contains book, which are originally written in English and translated to Turkish. I'm even not sure if she wrote anything in Turkish at all! Bibliography should be in the language she has written. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iyiguncevik (talk • contribs) 22:06, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is still true although an author writing in two languages is certainly a special case which has to be considered individually. However, even those who appear to be knowledgable about her work are not clear on which language a particular novel was written in. In the English language edition of her new book, Honour, for example, no tranalator is mentioned. In the Guardian review, it says that "she writes some books in her native Turkish and others (like this one) in English", while Curtis Brown says that Honour, "Elif Shafak's eighth novel, was released in Turkey in July 2011 under the title Iskender". This is quite confusing. <K F> 20:02, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

removal of the two notes above the biography

Askolsun (talk) 11:40, 14 March 2012 (UTC) Having added citations, references needed I would like to remove the two editor notes above the biography. Would you please advice how to proceed.[reply]

Just FYI, they are called templates or tags. What do you think about the section entitled "Motherhood, feminism and post-feminism"? It is unsourced and reads like an editor's opinion. I think if we remove that section, we can remove the two templates. However, there are still some small parts of the article that are unsourced. I would be willing to tag just that material rather than have the overall sources tag.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:38, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Askolsun (talk) 09:28, 11 April 2012 (UTC) Removing the said section would mean removing one on her books. Instead of doing that, I preferred to add sources.[reply]

I noticed, and you've been doing a good job.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:16, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good to hear this! But the two tags are still there!? Besides, I could not manage to upload a photograph. Actually uploaded but could not progress with licencing. Any tag guidance would be appreciated.Askolsun (talk) 10:30, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the essay tag. However, the references tag needs to stay as there are still spots in the article that require references. You can either find sources for those spots, remove the material as unsourced, or individually tag the sentences; if you do any of those, you could then remove the overall references tag. As for licensing, I've never done it, so can't help you. However, you could try asking at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:48, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

hello! I would like to know the spots in the article which require references. Askolsun (talk) 14:53, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed the Elif Shafak article has been reverted to an old version including the author photograph ^[1]. I tried to check this with Kindly Copyeditor first if this happened accidentally. Having not heard from the editor I decided to ask for and administrator's help

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I may agree some parts of this article sounds biased. Editing the content is beyond my capacity so I limited myself with supplying references to dependable sources -most of them being official websites-. I am extremely disappointed with the result. Askolsun (talk) 12:24, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing in your statement requires an administrator. If you need editing assistance, please ask at the Teahouse. Katie^talk 18:39, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elif_Shafak&oldid=1015471657#/media/File:ElifShafak_creditZeynelAbidin.jpg

improper use of a quote; general style issues

in the second sentence of the introductory paragraph a quote is used inline in the paragraph a way that doesn't properly separate it from the neutral encyclopedic description, i think this is probably a style violation, especially because it causes the tone of the paragraph to be overly praising.

for that matter there are other places in which the editorial tone is suspect, such as where it praises her latest book for "opening up important debates". There are multiple things wrong with that statement, most notably that 'Important' is a qualitative judgment outside the scope of Wikipedia.70.198.130.242 (talk) 05:20, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

POV

This rather feels like a praise page than a neutral encyclopedia article. --Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 13:08, 17 April 2015 (UTC) Askolsun (talk) 11:14, 5 October 2015 (UTC) Any suggestions?[reply]

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Hi all! I am not at all experienced but have added quite a number of references to the text - citations for verification.. Could someone please check them and remove the multiple issues tag? Thank you! I will soon work on the "other recognition" part also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Askolsun (talk • contribs) 16:44, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 14 May 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved, per consensus. —usernamekiran(talk) 07:33, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Elif Şafak → Elif Shafak – Requesting to move the page to Elif Shafak, as the letter Ş is Turkish, not English. In keeping with Wikipedia's naming conventions of using English for page names, the name should reflect the correct English spelling, which is Shafak. Widespread use of the Ş character leads to people using the spelling Safak with English letter 'S' - this is incorrect. Moving this page will help remove this confusion. I'm acting on behalf of Elif Shafak who has requested this move. Ssp8 (talk) 10:49, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think I agree with the arguments of the nominator, we have plenty of cases of legitimate use of diacritics (in the end of the day, her Turkish name is Şafak, and this is what is written in her Turkish passport). However, a much stronger argument IMO is that she publish most (if not all) of her books in English as Shafak, and therefore is known under such name.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:59, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I note that the RM is the nom account's sole edit. But we probably need to verify the unsourced information about nationality before de-Turkishizing the bio In ictu oculi (talk) 18:01, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
They are likely identical to the IP who was editing the article extensively for the last week.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:17, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps we can get the IP/Ssp8 if really editing for the author to explain to the author that we don't generally anglicize Turkish peoples names on en.wp unless they've renounced Turkish nationality and that English speakers can cope with Turkish names. other English sources are still using the Turkish S but without the hook In ictu oculi (talk) 21:18, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is from the same source and is using sh. My argument, however, is that she published her books with sh - I have one at home, and one can check the English covers at the Amazon.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:21, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, as it's only a pen-name anyway, doesn't open the flood gates to anti-Turkish name stripping. Birth name in lead per WP:FULLNAME should be Elif Atayman. Şafak isn't a real surname in any case. I suppose it doesn't make much difference if readers identify the pen-name as an English pen-name. Provided that WP:FULLNAME is observed. There's a bit of peacocking in this BLP which is more of a problem than the title. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:26, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the article I believe was better before the last series of edits.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:29, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the discussion here. Upon reflection and consideration of these points Elif is happy for the page to stay as is with the cedilla if that's the consesus and in line with other uses on en.wp Ssp8 (talk) 11:03, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination, per link provided by Ymblanter and per MOS:IDENTITY. Subject lives in the English-speaking world and uses the pen name and personal name Elif Shafak. Her own English-language signature and English-language website is Elif Shafak. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:32, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Plainly obvious that the subject is known as "Elif Shafak" in English, the version that appears on her English works and is used in the English version of her website: [1] vs. [2] If that's also the author's explicit preference, then we should take that into account as well.--Cúchullain ^t/c 16:17, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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British nationality?

She is described in the article as Turkish-British, but I can find no indication of how she might have acquired British nationality. She lives in the UK and could well have been naturalized British, but nobody actually spells it out. Is there anyone out there who knows? LynwoodF (talk) 14:08, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think describing her as British implies she has a British passport. She lives in the UK and writes in English, it should be sufficient to define her as a British author.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:26, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree fundamentally, but if an admin. says it is OK by Wikipedia, I will live with it. LynwoodF (talk) 14:48, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am indeed an admin, but here my opinion is just of an ordinary editor, same as you are.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:22, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've just reverted another editor's change of the subject's nationality from British-Turkish to British, as the referenced page on her agent's page says British-Turkish. Tacyarg (talk) 14:01, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

lawsuit

Hi all! I removed the below section since this court case has not been finalized yet. Please see: https://www.thedial.world/issue-16/elif-shafak-turkish-writers-erdogan (in English); https://www.dogankitap.com.tr/elif-safaktan-aciklama (in Turkish)

"The book "Bit Palas" faced allegations of plagiarism from Turkish novelist Mine Kırıkkanat, author of "Sinek Sarayı." In the ensuing lawsuit, the court found that "Bit Palas" contained plagiarized elements and ordered Elif Şafak to pay damages to Kırıkkanat.<ref>Kirikkanat, Mine (25 January 2024). "Twitter". Archived from the original on 25 January 2024. Retrieved 25 January 2024.<ref>"

It can be reincluded if Shafak's current court appeal fails. Askolsun (talk) 11:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In any case, it should not be cited to Twitter. Ymblanter (talk) 20:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Askolsun (talk) 07:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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