Talk:Elgin Bypass

Wrong date for the construction of Elgin Bypass

The reference to 1984 gives the date for dropping the "Business 20" designation in town. I have vivid memories of the Bypass bridge over the Fox river being constructed in 1957. More research is needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Racepacket (talk • contribs)

Yeah, I didn't notice there wasn't any reference to the construction of the actual bypass on Rich's page. Most of the research has to be done offline, because aside from his page, we don't have anything to go off of. —Rob (talk) 19:08, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Description for Il-25 interchange not really complete

The current description of the IL-25 interchange isn't really complete. It mentions the split exit ramps WB, but doesn't accurately describe the multiple entrance ramps EB, nor does it pinpoint the ramp positions well. I know the whole area is confusing due to routing the bypass smack through an existing neighborhood, but I'd propose the following description instead:

"Eastbound, there is one exit to IL-25 25 in Grace Street, terminating at Bluff City Blvd. Traffic then travels two blocks east on Bluff City to southbound IL-25 (St. Charles St), and one block further to northbound IL-25 (S Liberty St). There are two eastbound entrance ramps from Bluff City Blvd, one in Grace St, the other 5 blocks east in Lavoie Ave.

Westbound, there are separate exits for northbound and southbound IL-25. Northbound traffic exits at a ramp in Illinois Ave, then proceeds one block west to northbound IL-25 (S Liberty St). Southbound traffic exits into Grace St, then turns back east one block to St. Charles St, then one block south to IL-25 at Bluff City Blvd. There is one entrance ramp westbound, in Grace St, with access via Dwight St." Kmz 19:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It's worth a shot; alternatively, an SVG image would speak for many words. —Rob (talk) 20:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I have an SVG file generated from OpenStreetMap for use, but I'm not an autoconfirmed user, and can not upload it to Wikipedia. Can someone help me out here? I can send the SVG via email to anyone with sufficient privileges. Kmz (talk) 19:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Possible Merger With U.S. Route 20 in Illinois

There have been two times that this article was redirected into the other article without bringing the content along to the other article. Twice the article was unredirected. Today, a user has proposed another merger, and I am starting a discussion here.

• Oppose Merger. The Elgin Bypass article meets General Notability Guidelines. Its creation, history and upgrades receive considerable independent coverage in the press. Its construction is a part of a larger narrative about building bridges across the Fox River between urban centers, which continues to play out in present day planning. If Wikiproject:US Roads does not want to maintain it, editors interested in Kane County Illinois can do so. Thanks, Hlevy2 (talk) 13:37, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support. It's not a matter of WP:USRD not wanting to maintain the article, it's a matter of two articles that potentially (if the merger does not go through) saying the same thing. U.S. Route 20 in Illinois will not be/was not weighed down by including the information from this article and the junction list portion totally overlaps US 20. –Fredddie™ 14:08, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

In the prior two mergers, none of the information was carried forward, so you are really proposing a deletion, not a merger.Hlevy2 (talk) 10:14, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Not at all. What I'd like to see is a fully developed history section on US 20 that talks about the Elgin Bypass in depth. It can be done; it just hasn't. Secondly, were is the considerable press coverage? I've been looking this evening and all the mentions of the Elgin Bypass are hits on articles that talk about the Elgin–O'Hare Expressway. This is the only article thus far that I've found that actually talks about the Elgin Bypass. –Fredddie™ 03:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

When the Tollway was first sold to the public, the availability of non-toll alternatives was part of the rationale. Motorists continued to pay fuel taxes in addition to the tolls. The US 20 corridor to Chicago was important and continued to be upgraded. The gap in limited access highway continued to close: 1) The Eisenhower Expr. was extended from Manheim Road west first to North Ave and then to a stub of what later became I-355. 2) The Elgin-O'Hare Expr. extended limited access highway to Hanover Park, and there was already a grade-separated interchange at IL-59 and US 20. However, the price extracted for having the Tollway construct the new western access to O'Hare was having the Tollway takeover the entire Elgin-O'Hare Expr. leaving northern Kane County without a viable toll-free route to Chicago. Hlevy2 (talk) 09:27, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• Still support—as noted, this article is redundant as a segment of the larger highway. All of the pertinent content about this bypass should be in the other article no matter what. Imzadi 1979 → 23:46, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

The problem is that editors may differ as to what "all of the pertinent content" means. Perhaps WP:USRD should focus upon building a set of articles about numbered highways, and leave local content to local editors. Hlevy2 (talk) 11:02, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

If it hasn't been added in the past, it still should be added in the future. The history of the Elgin Bypass is still part of the history of US 20. It it wasn't properly merged before, it should be in the future. Imzadi 1979 → 13:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Having performed several mergers of this type in the past, most recently the Major Deegan Expressway into Interstate 87 (New York), this seems like common sense. Needforspeed888 (talk) 02:10, 26 July 2019 (UTC)