Talk:Electric Ladyland/Archive 1

Archive 1

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• All song titles serve as redirects to this album, have their own pages, or have been placed at the appropriate disambiguation pages.--Hraefen ^Talk 18:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Mike Mandel

I would like to know on which track Mike Mandel plays piano. Hendrix plays piano himself on "Crosstown Traffic" (according to liner notes of Alan Douglas CD edition from early 1990s), and Al Kooper plays piano on "Long Hot Summer Night" (same source). So are there any more piano on this album? I don't know. Also all organ credits are given. So what's Mike Mandel's role? Is he there at all???

Long Hot Summer Nights

How can this song be described as a 'political commentary'?

Release Date

Seen it as September 1968 (no exact day) in many places, and October 1968 in others. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=130) says October 25th 1968, as does Hendrix's official site. I don't know if it was a UK/US separate release or not, but I would go w/ an official site (even if he was long dead by the time he came around).

Track times

While trying to verify a recent track time change by an anon, I find I cannot verify many of the track times. My old album has no track times, neither on the sleeve or on the label. And many track times do not match up with my CD copy (the Polydor release with the "unapproved" cover), although they're only off by a few seconds. Can someone cite what release these track times are from and if the recent change is consistent? If not, I'll change them to those on my CD copy and provide citation.--J Clear 23:35, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I have just edited in a consistent and cited set of track times. If the track times are to be changed again, a similarly self-consistent and cited set needs to be used. Uncited and anonymous changes should be eyed critically (as always). Note that these times were as printed on the CD and jewel box. They disagree slightly with the times displayed for the CD by iTunes. There is also a big discrepancy on how much of the continuous track is "1983..." and how much is "Moon, Turn..." between this CD and the iTMS listing (which has some god awful track ordering). To try to sanity check that, I took a peek at my old vinyl copy to look for the inter-track blanks, but there aren't any on side C! Also I would not consider any MP3 or AAC track time to be gospel due to the compression, although they should be within a second or two. --J Clear 17:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Electric Larryland

The butthole surfers CD/album Electric Larryland seems like its a pun or whatever from this albumThe Clydelishes Clyde 23:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

  I think it's like a whatever. 71.41.176.98 (talk) 22:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

laDYLANd!

I just noticed that "Dylan" is embedded in "Ladyland". Coincidence? (He covers a Dylan song on this album.) Bubba73 (talk), 01:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering where he got the name from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.82.163 (talk) 14:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

POV?

I don't think this article is totally neutral. Say, this sentence:

"Released as a double album, Electric Ladyland is a cross-section of Hendrix's wide range of musical talent."

But anyway, do we need a flagging? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.192.179 (talk) 16:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Spam?

Please, could somebody review the Release and reception section? Some parts of it are written like advertisement, and there are bad links everywhere. Carmaster 03:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Clumsy Writing

This sentence annoys me: Sometimes Hendrix recorded bass tracks just in order to make things go on faster. Wouldn't it be preferable to say "Occasionally Hendrix would record bass tracks in order to speed up the session."?Gspong (talk) 03:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

How about "a BREADTH of new songs" ? Just clumsy -- needs polish :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.176.100.190 (talk) 14:15, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I can't help but agree. Especially this part: "With a hectic tour schedule and also trying to record a masterpiece, Hendrix still wanted to have a life"Samelk42 (talk) 01:05, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Cover

So first off why is it 'very offending' to have naked women on the cover? And secondly, where is the original artwork? Most albums with changed artwork have the new artwork on top and the original on the bottom (see: Appetite for Destruction, Complete Discography). I come here from List of controversial album art and I don't get to even get to see the controversy! 70.110.176.176 (talk) 01:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The cover is offensive becuase there are naked women on it and wikipedia should be able to be read by kids. Kids should not see this kind of images. -Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.154.46.145 (talk) 00:13, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Above is a cocktail of unbecoming political statements and have no place in a free media. Cover is not repeat not offensive in most countries or cultures. Besides: that cover that burns out your eyes is further down the page. You might want to vandalise that one onto the bonfire too. What's really important here is getting the Linda M photo here and explaining Jimi was afraid of the backlash and didn't like either cover. Facsimiles of his notes to the record label are also available.

Done.--Harbinger1991 (talk) 05:40, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Bad English

Parts of this are worded in such a way as to suggest they were written by a drunk 6-year-old --- from England.

Where is Al Kooper?

Al Kooper should be listed for his contribution on organ (Voodo Chile) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 56.0.143.25 (talk) 18:51, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Al Kooper plays on "Long Hot Summer Night", while Steve Winwood plays on "Voodoo Chile" --128.214.20.122 (talk) 11:47, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

infobox image

Re: I am puzzled about the infobox image File:Jimi Hendrix - Electric Ladyland.jpg. I think that this not right for the cover of the original Track LP from 1968. I think the Track cover is more like this Polyador reissue by David Montgomery, at least for the early Track versions. I have both a Polyadore reissue and an original Track edition, but they are in a box somewhere and difficult to find today. I am not aware of any other labels for this LP, so I am somewhat puzzled by the list of labels in the infobox; "Reprise, Track, Barclay, Polydor". The text of the article refers to a Repise edition of this album. My 2008 copy of the Rare Record Price Guide has no reference to an LP version by Reprise, but it lists some of his later records being on Reprise. The article might be correct, but it confuses me. Perhaps, the explanation is that the USA LPs had different covers or labels to the UK LPs. Perhaps, I am confused about the pictures on the outside of the cover and the inside of the cover. Snowman (talk) 21:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

There is a lot of work that needs to be done on this important article. FWIW, its on my to do list, but AYE comes first. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:53, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

I am beginning to work bits of it out, I think that the "nude women image" was on the outside of the Track cover and the famous David Montgomery photograph of JH was on one side of the inside of the cover. I might only be thinking about records made for the UK market. Labels are important to Record collectors, and I hope to see a bit more on the labels of this important LP, but I am not in any hurry. If I find my LPs, I might be able to help with the images for the article. Snowman (talk) 23:06, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

I have this LP with the "nude" cover. The David Montgomery photograph occupies the entire inside gatefold, not just one side. There are miniature b&w headshots of Noel and Mitch at the bottom of the Montgomery Hendrix portrait, overlaid as it were. My copy is a German import but as far as I know this cover, inside and out, was identical for all European releases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.212.52 (talk) 22:43, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Should the reviews in the little box be alphabetized?

I'd say so. Is there any reason not to have them alphabetized?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:38, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Christgau quote

Here the following quote from Robert Christgau is removed:

In a retrospective review for ''[[Blender (magazine)|Blender]]'', [[Robert Christgau]] said that the album's musical continuity was unprecedented in rock music and that Hendrix's "spaced-out spirituality is the fullest musicalization of 'psychedelic' ever accomplished."<ref name="Christgau"/>

Why? How is this not pertinent? Is Christgau's opinion not due more weight than the redlinked Peter Doggett?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

In light of this ongoing dispute I think its more than a little WP:POINTY. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 00:48, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Can you be more specific? I can't see anything in WP:POINT that covers the addition of relevant, well-sourced material that improves an article.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 01:24, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

That's fine; I'm not going to get into a dispute here. I think Dan's disrupting Wikipedia to prove that I dislike Christgau, which you don't have to prove as I've admitted it more than once that I don't like his "hey dude, pass the bowl bra! and get your mind blown while this music alters the fabric of the universe." Really though, "spaced-out" is sooooo encyclopedic! GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 01:29, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I just don't understand how adding well-sourced relevant material is "disrupting wikipedia." But I suppose if you think explaining yourself would be mindless, who am I to say ye nay.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 01:39, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Reception source

Although most of the 33⅓ book by John Perry is missing at GoogleBooks, the entire "Reviews" chapter is available here. Of use to any interested parties. Also at Amazon.com's preview (if you have an account to sign in and see the preview's pages). Dan56 (talk) 02:25, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Two separate vinyl albums

Surprised to find no mention of this. I had Part 2, Sides 3 and 4, UK Track, bought from a friend around 1971. Abstract psychedelic-style cover, lots of yellow (sold all my vinyl in 2010). Rothorpe (talk) 01:30, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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Article requirements: Y All the start class criteria Y A completed infobox, including cover art and most technical details Y At least one section of prose (excluding the lead section) Y A track listing containing track lengths and authors for all songs Y A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians Y Categorisation at least by artist and year Y A casual reader should learn something about the album. Andrzejbanas (talk) 06:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC) ==Re-review== Start class: Y A reasonably complete infobox Y A lead section giving an overview of the album Y A track listing Y Reference to at least primary personnel by name (must specify performers on the current album; a band navbox is insufficient) Y Categorisation at least by artist and year C class: Y All the start class criteria Y A reasonably complete infobox, including cover art Y At least one section of prose (in addition to the lead section) Y A track listing containing track lengths and authors for all songs Y A "personnel" section listing performers, including guest musicians. B class: Y All the C class criteria Y A completed infobox, including cover art and most technical details Y A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians N No obvious issues with sourcing, including the use of blatantly improper sources. Y No significant issues exist to hamper readability, although it may not rigorously follow WP:MOS Recording and production needs far more citation. There's only one cited note in it! Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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