Talk:Eight Hungarian Folksongs

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A fact from Eight Hungarian Folksongs appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 June 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Béla Bartók mixed and matched selections from his Eight Hungarian Folksongs in performance?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Eight Hungarian Folksongs.

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The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 05:53, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Béla Bartók in 1903

~~... that five of Eight Hungarian Folksongs by Béla Bartók (pictured) were collected and set in 1907, and the others 10 years later?~~ Source: [1]

Reviewed: Tetraponera tessmanni, 2nd article

Created by Ron Oliver (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Swapped image out for a crop so that it will pop better at small size. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 02:49, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen in online sources. The hook, though, is boring. The part about Bartók's desire to educate the public was so evident that the melody in his folksongs was doubled by the right hand of the pianist would make more interesting hook material, as long as it's cited. Image is public domain but looks like it was photographed off a television set. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 04:53, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ron Oliver? - I don't find it boring that did this - collecing folk music which he is known for - already at a young age, - perhaps that could come out better? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:46, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bartók is primarily known for two things apart from his outstanding musical output: Hungarian folk music and education. Now, you are most likely never going to find a reference that implies that Bartók doubled the voice because he had a strong desire to educate, but it was surely easier for him to teach and promote songs by showing (potentially) undereducated singers what the melodies are expected to sound like. The next sentence is ref'd and, in my view, it's equally as interesting. Ron Oliver (talk) 18:21, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the next sentence could make a good hook:

ALT1: ... that Béla Bartók (pictured) mixed and matched selections from his Eight Hungarian Folksongs in performance?

Alternatively, folksongs and DYK hooks are both meant to interest to the general public. Perhaps something based on their textual content, such as

ALT2:~~... that Béla Bartók collected three songs about Székely soldiers longing to return home to complete his Eight Hungarian Folksongs?~~ Source: I found a DMA thesis that supports this

However, this kind of information is not currently in the article. FourViolas (talk) 21:52, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yoninah, does ALT1 work for you? (I'm not sure we want to get into ALT2, since it's reliant on a thesis.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, ALT1 has a very hooky feel to it, and is verified and sourced inline. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:46, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]