Talk:Effects of climate change on biomes

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Section sizes

Section size for Effects of climate change on biomes (20 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	7,374	7,374
Terminology and classification	3,502	3,502
General impacts	5,704	5,704
Terrestrial biomes	23	33,272
Deserts and drylands	717	717
Grasslands	55	55
Tundra	1,314	1,314
Mountains	5,877	5,877
Boreal forests	14,511	14,511
Temperate forests	1,844	6,776
Expansion of beetles that can harm trees	4,932	4,932
Tropical forests	3,999	3,999
Freshwater biomes	22	4,660
Lakes	810	810
Rivers	3,828	3,828
Marine biomes	18	1,303
Polar waters	1,211	1,211
Coral reefs	74	74
See also	47	47
References	107	107
Total	55,969	55,969

Changing the lead around

I've just changed the lead around by puting the last sentence first. I think you took too long with this lead to "get to the point". The first sentence of the lead should say exactly what this article is about, not tell a long winded "story". We have discussed this also at other articles from time to time. I think the lead, and especially the first sentence, should adhere to this: MOS:FIRST. EMsmile (talk) 13:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Content about genetic diversity

I've removed this section from "Effects of climate change on plant biodiversity" as I don't think it fitted there. Does any of this content fit here?:

Genetic diversity

Species richness and species evenness play a key role in how quickly and productively an ecosystem can adapt to change.^[1] By increasing the possibility of a population bottleneck through more extreme weather events, genetic diversity in the population would drastically decrease.^[2] Since genetic diversity is a main contributor of how an ecosystem can evolve, the ecosystem would be much more susceptible to getting wiped out since each individual would be similar to the next. An absence of genetic mutations and decrease in species richness greatly enhances the possibility of extinction.^[3]

Altering the environment puts stress on a plant to increase its phenotypic plasticity, causing species to change faster than predicted.^[4] These plastic responses will help the plants respond to a fast changing environment. Understanding how native species change in response to the environment will help gather conclusions of how mutualistic relationships will react. EMsmile (talk) 12:55, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Grimm, Nancy B.; Staudinger, Michelle D.; Staudt, Amanda; Carter, Shawn L.; Chapin, F. Stuart; Kareiva, Peter; Ruckelshaus, Mary; Stein, Bruce A. (2013). "Climate-change impacts on ecological systems: introduction to a US assessment". Frontiers in Ecology and the Environment. 11 (9): 456–464. doi:10.1890/120310. ISSN 1540-9309. S2CID 7539676.
^ Pauls, Steffen U.; Nowak, Carsten; Bálint, Miklós; Pfenninger, Markus (2012-12-20). "The impact of global climate change on genetic diversity within populations and species". Molecular Ecology. 22 (4): 925–946. doi:10.1111/mec.12152. ISSN 0962-1083. PMID 23279006. S2CID 965482.
^ Cite error: The named reference Chapin III 234–242 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Nicotra, A.B.; Atkin, O.K.; Bonser, S.P.; Davidson, A.M.; Finnegan, E.J.; Mathesius, U.; Poot, P.; Purugganan, M.D.; Richards, C.L. (December 2010). "Plant phenotypic plasticity in a changing climate". Trends in Plant Science. 15 (12): 684–692. doi:10.1016/j.tplants.2010.09.008. hdl:1885/28486. ISSN 1360-1385. PMID 20970368.

EMsmile (talk) 12:55, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Those paragraphs are such a vaguely-phrased mix of things! Looking at the references, it seems like one of them would ultimately fit in a plant-focused article, while some of the others might be more at home in extinction risk from climate change, even? I'll have to consider it some other time. InformationToKnowledge (talk) 19:21, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead should be longer

Can we add a bit more to the lead? Make it more towards 500 words? Perhaps some examples on which biomes are affected/changing? I noticed there is a section about the same topic at biome. Maybe, if it's any good, it could be moved into the lead here? You can see it here and I've just added an excerpt from here as well. EMsmile (talk) 20:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Grimm, Nancy B.; Staudinger, Michelle D.; Staudt, Amanda; Carter, Shawn L.; Chapin, F. Stuart; Kareiva, Peter; Ruckelshaus, Mary; Stein, Bruce A. (2013). "Climate-change impacts on ecological systems: introduction to a US assessment". Frontiers in Ecology and the Environment. 11 (9): 456–464. doi:10.1890/120310. ISSN 1540-9309. S2CID 7539676.

[2] Pauls, Steffen U.; Nowak, Carsten; Bálint, Miklós; Pfenninger, Markus (2012-12-20). "The impact of global climate change on genetic diversity within populations and species". Molecular Ecology. 22 (4): 925–946. doi:10.1111/mec.12152. ISSN 0962-1083. PMID 23279006. S2CID 965482.

[Chapin_III_234–242-3] Cite error: The named reference Chapin III 234–242 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[4] Nicotra, A.B.; Atkin, O.K.; Bonser, S.P.; Davidson, A.M.; Finnegan, E.J.; Mathesius, U.; Poot, P.; Purugganan, M.D.; Richards, C.L. (December 2010). "Plant phenotypic plasticity in a changing climate". Trends in Plant Science. 15 (12): 684–692. doi:10.1016/j.tplants.2010.09.008. hdl:1885/28486. ISSN 1360-1385. PMID 20970368.

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