Talk:Edward Schreyer

2005 comeback?

First, I should clarify that I am not accusing Jack Cox of perpetrating a fraud on Wikipedia. He's an established and experienced poster, and is recognized as a trustworthy source. I did, however, write that he may be the victim of a hoax. (So might Duffy, for that matter.)

The NDP website lists Wayne James as their Selkirk-Interlake candidate, and I can find nothing on the web to suggest that this has changed.

A political comeback by Schreyer, at this stage, would be nothing short of incredible. Until I receive absolute confirmation, I don't think Duffy's (apparent) report should be printed. CJCurrie 00:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I stand corrected -- apparently this is legit. Apologies to Mr. Cox. CJCurrie 01:11, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I'll be damned, I never thought I see the day when a GG went back into politics ! Dowew 02:10, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism

I have blocked User:64.230.68.168 for 24 hours for his repeated vandalism of this page, and his refusal to heed a previous warning. CJCurrie 02:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

The same person is evidently posting from a different IP. Any more vandalism, and I'll protect the page. CJCurrie 02:43, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Clarifying Schreyer's role in the 2002-03 leadership campaign

Last night, I watched a CPAC spotlight on the Selkirk-Interlake riding in Manitoba. There were interviews with the four candidates (NDP, PC, Lib, Green), and an extended interview with Ed Schreyer from the site of a town-hall meeting.

During the interview, Schreyer said that web reports of his support for Bill Blaikie in the 2002-03 leadership campaign were (I'm paraphrasing) "not quite right". He didn't dismiss the story outright, but said that he did not actively campaign for any candidate and did not attend the leadership convention.

Since I was responsible for including the Blaikie reference on this page, I decided it would be wise to review my sources again. Having done this, I've decided that a slight adjustment in the wording is in order. I continue to believe that my original account of events was an accurate reflection of reliable sources in the public domain, and that any errors (by myself or others) were made in good faith.

I should clarify that I am not raising this point to question or target Schreyer's account of events. I have no reason to disbelieve him, and (considering his well-earned reputation as a statesman) I doubt that he would try to falsify his past. Rather, I'm raising the matter to forestall possible criticism of this article's reliability.

The available evidence concerning Schreyer's role in the 2002-03 campaign is as follows:

(i) Schreyer's apparent support for Blaikie was reported in at least one newspaper article from the campaign. The Winnipeg Free Press ran a story about Blaikie's candidacy on its City Page (A5) on 18 June 2002, with the following observation:

[...] Blaikie already has plenty of supporters in his corner. Premier Gary Doer was on hand yesterday morning as were half a dozen other provincial and federal NDP politicians. Former Manitoba premiers Ed Schreyer and Howard Pawley have also given him the nod.

(ii) Schreyer's name was also included in a list of supporters on a Blaikie campaign website. The list is still available here, although the title graphic has changed (it's now a Blaikie re-election site). A cut/paste version of the list also appeared on the can.politics newsgroup in 2002 ([1]).

My assessment:

Given these reports, and given Schreyer's recent comments, I suspect he may have provided a general statement supporting Blaikie in 2002 without going so far as a formal endorsement. Alternately, he may have given a nominal endorsement without playing any further role in the campaign. No available source provides exact clarity on this point.

Remedial action:

Given Schreyer's recent comments, I no longer feel entirely confident in stating that he supported Blaikie for the party leadership in 2002-03. However, I remain confident that he gave support to Blaikie during the campaign. The wording has been changed to reflect this.

Other comments:

I see from a recent discussion on Babble.ca that some contributors suspect Schreyer's candidacy is part of a "power play" by Blaikie and the Manitoba NDP against Jack Layton. This extrapolation is entirely unfounded, and nothing in this article should be interpreted as endorsing it.

I should also clarify that my original post about Schreyer's role in the 2002-03 campaign was made as a matter of reporting, and was not intended in any way to harm, malign or cause confusion about his position in public life or the New Democratic Party. (No one has suggested this, and I suspect no one intends to suggest it, but it can't hurt to clarify my position in advance). CJCurrie 21:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Infobox

The infobox in this article does not include Schreyer's details in provincial office. --76.69.139.130 (talk) 06:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

That's because the information is in the succession boxes at the foot of the page. No need to duplicate. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 16:00, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Photo

Can't anyone find a better photo of the guy? God, it's awful. 24.108.58.1 (talk) 00:00, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Infobox again

As was noted in an earlier discussion, the basic information about Schreyer's time as premier is already included (besides in the article body) in the succession boxes at the foot of the page.

Infoboxes on Canadian governors general have for many years been kept limited to just their viceregal postings because that keeps the length of the infoboxes down across the board and maintains a consistency. Some individuals may only have held the one office. Others, however, have held many other offices; ministerial posts, parliamentary posts, governmental posts. If Schreyer's prime ministership is added here, why not start adding elsewhere? It'll be a mess. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 20:25, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree that adding all the posts would be excessive, which is why it needs to be cut down to the important ones. But I don't think it has to be cut down to just one, see for example John Sparrow David Thompson and Robert Stanfield. Premier is an important office, it should be included as well. To reply to your question, what other Governor General was also a Premier or Prime Minister? How will adding that office make a mess? 117Avenue (talk) 04:23, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree completely with User:117Avenue. Normally, the offices included in the infobox are determined on an article-by-article basis and I see no reason why Governors General should be any different. In fact, I wouldn't have a problem listing more than just two offices in this case. Graham11 (talk) 19:44, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Once again, it's not that adding an office here will create any mess here, it's that adding a political office here opens up the possibility of adding other such offices to the infoboxes on other GG bio articles. For instance, the Marquess of Willingdon was, besides Governor General of Canada and Viceroy of India, Governor of Bombay and Governor of Madras. Jeanne Sauvé was the Speaker of the House of Commons and held two ministerial posts in the federal Cabinet. Roméo LeBlanc held six ministerial portfolios in the federal Cabinet. The Earl Alexander of Tunis was also the British Minister of Defence.

The question comes down to: where is the line drawn between an important office and a not-so-important office? --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 19:49, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

There is no one answer to all articles, it needs to be determined on an article basis. I would say amidst the importance of the office, the length of terms, what makes the individual notable, the length of the article, and the quality of the article. If it's a long, well written article, I could see upwards of five offices in an infobox. 117Avenue (talk) 02:40, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

First leader of the Manitoba CCF/NDP who was not of British and Protestant descent? You forgot Girard!

1. So I removed the racist slur "Anglo-saxon", which people of scots descent have always vigorously denied being, reserving Anglo-saxon as their alternate slur for "Sassenach".

A lot of premiers in List of premiers of Manitoba. Also, modern DNA analysis shows that the English, Scots, and Irish are each only about 10% Saxon. Anglo-saxon and WASP are now only slurs used by outsiders. Remember, this article must be suitable for study by non-Manitobans. Anglo-saxon is just too inappropriate and offensive for 2021.

British is the best modern term that comes to mind, because it is fully correct in the geographic sense, and in the political sense of British, I didn't see any Irish names. So I changed "anglo-saxon" to "British". It is the term the people of the British Isles use to describe themselves as a group. British Islanders may one day become common place, so as to include all citizens of the countries in the British Isles, but nobody is using it yet.

2. "Also, he was the first leader of the Manitoba CCF/NDP who was not of British and Protestant descent."

Are we certain that Manitoba's second premier, Marc-Amable Girard, was of British Protestant descent?

Girard's article says, "Marc-Amable Girard (April 25, 1822 – September 12, 1892) was the second Premier of the Western Canadian province of Manitoba, and the first Franco-Manitoban to hold that post."

But it also says, "Girard was born in Varennes, Lower Canada (now Quebec)." So ?

Girard ranks #23 in frequency as an old stock Quebec surname, if that means anything. https://www.prdh-igd.com/en/noms-et-prenoms#Le%20palmar%C3%A8s%20des%20patronymes

It is like how Americans forget that their second president was an Irish Catholic (scots-irish), and think JFK was the first.

I'm not a historian, so I can't resolve issue 2 here.

2604:3D09:A57B:A340:2994:722D:C4E3:6566 (talk) 02:17, 8 May 2021 (UTC)