Talk:Education in Spain/Archive 1

Archive 1

Undue weight?

The article singles out the University of Barcelona as "the most notable" university in the country, to the point of being the only Spanish university mentioned by name in the whole article (!). The assertion of its alleged top notability is based on a pair of rankings, which are not without controversy, and completely disregards many other published rankings which place other different Spanish universities at the top (such as the Complutense University, the Technical University of Madrid, the Autonomous University of Barcelona, the Pompeu Fabra University, or the Carlos III University; in fact, the University of Barcelona happens to top none of these other rankings). The article also fails to mention anywhere the historical relevance and reputation of such venerable institutions as the University of Salamanca (one of the oldest universities in the world). Thus, there is by no means an undisputed consensus that the University of Barcelona is actually the single "most notable" one in the country as the article claims, so as to warrant its exclusive mention over all the others. Therefore, the article seems to give undue weight and publicity to this sole university to the detriment of several other Spanish universities which have outranked the University of Barcelona in several published rankings and which are unduly left out of any mention. 213.37.6.23 (talk) 21:45, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Fully agree and propose incorporating above information into article. --Technopat (talk) 22:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Have deleted the following text as such rankings should possibly be included on each specific article page rather than at this general topic:

...which is ranked in the top 151 -2 202 by Shanghai Jiao Tong University’s Academic Ranking of World Universities and in the top 200 universities in the world in the THES - QS World University Rankings. Reference: http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/ — A 2006 ranking from THES - QS of the world’s research universities.

However, assertion of its alleged top notability is based on a pair of rankings, which are not without controversy, and completely disregards many other published rankings which place other different Spanish universities at the top (such as the...

Technopat (talk) 08:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk about the edition by M.Jovellanos (10/09/2009)

I've just wikified the article, deleted some unimportant parts, made it clearer and easier to understand for foreign readers, etc. If you don't like it as it is now, please, let me know, and I'll be glad to discuss anything with you. Thanks. --M.Jovellanos (talk) 14:23, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Greetings M.Jovellanos. Thanks for your edits to this article. It was in such a bad state that whatever constructive edit is made is a great improvement on what was there before. There are so many things that need fixing that I'm open to suggestions. Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 21:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree that your contribution is very welcome. Amongst other things the section on the Bachillerato is much improved. You did delete quite a lot, though. Much of it deserved to go, but I think some useful information may have gone at the same time. I of course most notice a bit I contributed - the section on Admissions (under Availability), and I plan to try to reinsert it, in one form or another, when I have the time. I'm aware that it needs more context - and a more national picture. But I understand Technopat's point that this article needs some bold measures. Richard Robert (talk) 20:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, maybe that section had some useful information. You can reinsert it, but it may need a better wording and it shouldn't contain useless information... And I agree with you about the context, and that it should have a more national picture. Just edit it, and then we'll be able to discuss how much the article has improved with that edition. Cheers! --M.Jovellanos (talk) 06:45, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Greetings All, Sorry for not being more productive, but I really don't know enough about the subject to work on content and can only really help out by watching out for direct vandalism. Good luck! --Technopat (talk) 11:21, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Admission to Public Schools

In response to M.Jovellanos comment on my talk page about this section I would like to solicit some opinions. I'm still thinking about those comments, but I tend to think that some information on the admissions process in individual comunidades is not useless. I think it may in fact be the sort of information certain sorts of readers would be seeking out (other parts of the article seem to me to have been added by expats with children in Spanish schools). Of course this information should not dominate the article. But I feel the article is hardly bloated and could still use considerable expansion. Any opinions? Richard Robert (talk) 22:08, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Citations

I edited the article only to add the "citation needed" tag about the university rankings. The problem with the alternative ones is that they are much more controversial and has much less reputation. I also made that comment, "Spanish universities do not have, in fact, a high international reputation" (or the like). I would propose to remove unverifiable statements such as "this or that university have international reputation", and leave general assessment for the main article. Facts are still pending (such as the number or the private or public expenditure or the ownership or the location) and we should concentrate on that. Uncertain (talk) 18:41, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorting of sections on this page

In the interests of clarity I've edited the order of display of the preceding sections so that they now appear in the correct chronological sequence of submission. -- Picapica (talk) 01:44, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Improvements still needed

Apart from anything else, the article needs to be structured much more logically to give a "cleaner" overview of the system, and it also contains yawning gaps: why, for instance, the jump from primary 10–12 straight to education post-16 with no mention of anything in between? Of course, the answer is to do some work on it myself :) but I'm very willing to allow a headstart to any other volunteers... -- Picapica (talk) 01:44, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

UPDATE IT ASAP!! The last modification on the Spanish Educational System is called LOMCE

Ley Organica para la Mejora de la Calidad de la Educacion, and have changed so many things comparing with LOGSE (last before) or the one you refer on this article (2 systems ago!). With every Goverment, system changes to "adapt it" to the needs they thing that students needs, without consulting students or teachers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.17.239.54 (talk) 23:31, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Language Education and Language of Education

It is mentioned that regional languages are taught "in case of" the four languages. Would someone please clarify the following? Are the regional languages only taught as a required subject in their respective regions? Also, in the regions where there is a regional language, is primary and secondary education conducted in (e.g., math taught in) Spanish or in that regional language, or do some schools use Spanish but the others use the regional language? Thanks. Schpnhr (talk) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

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