Talk:Edmund Andros/GA2
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Reviewer: Dana boomer (talk · contribs) 15:56, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello again, and I apologize for taking a few days to get back to you on this. It looks like some good work has been done on the article since the end of the last review. My new review should be up in full shortly. Dana boomer (talk) 15:56, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- Previous issues
There are still a few issues from the previous GA review that have not been addressed, so I'm listing them here for ease of reference (all conversations prior to February 7, 2012 copied from Talk:Edmund Andros/GA1):
- King Phillip's War, "Andros annoyed Massachusetts fishermen by restricting their use of the duke's land for drying fish." First, this is a big jump from the previous few sentences, where you are talking about the Indians and building forts. Second, did this have any bearing on him as governor? Every governor annoys some group of people with just about every decision s/he makes...
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- Is it important to his term as governor? What weight do sources give to this incident? Dana boomer (talk) 02:20, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Here's my rationale for including it: by the time Andros became governor of the Dominion of New England, he had already acquired a negative reputation in Massachusetts and Connecticut. This sort of thing is one example; the disagreement over how to handle King Philip's War was another. Magic♪piano 03:31, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- I see, that makes sense. Are there any sources that actually offer that sort of analysis? In other words, are there any sources that spell out that incidents such as this gave him a bad reputation which didn't help during his time as governor of the Dominion? If so, it would make it more clear to really spell it out, rather than just leaving it up to the reader to infer from the multiple examples scattered through the text. Dana boomer (talk) 18:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
- Uncertain. Lustig (who has written on New York colonial history in addition to biographing Andros) may make this assessment, but her works on the subject are not particularly convenient for me to access. Historians who cover that period of American colonial history might also do so. Magic♪piano 22:23, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
- I have been absolutely unable to find a source that makes the direct connotation, or even a good analysis of the instances. I will keep trying, but I'm not sure that this is the most pressing issue with the article. dci | TALK 23:31, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
- OK. Well, I'll leave this open for now...if you can find something then add it in; if not, no biggie. Dana boomer (talk) 16:57, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
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- Control of the Jerseys, what are "commissions under his authority."?
- Control of the Jerseys - there is a hidden comment in this section that says "TODO other domestic politics". I would be interested to know what information was/is going to be put here.
- I am not the main contributor to this article, and have no idea why that tag is present. The current information seems adequate; I don't feel that this is the most important chapter of Andros' life. DCItalk
- The TODO represents a placeholder I placed for adding detail on New York colonial politics. Events that led Dutch patroons and/or English interests to work against him, for example. Magic♪piano 22:08, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- MP, do you feel that this is something that needs to be in the article for it to be considered "broad", or is it more of a "comprehensive" thing? Dana boomer (talk) 02:20, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- It probably ought to have a sentence or two. Magic♪piano 03:31, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Recall - This section is very abrupt, and the next section begins with him being appointed governor of another area. What happened in his interview with the duke? What did he do in the five years between ending his term as governor of New York and picking up as governor of New England?
If he was in England this whole time, did his wife stay in New York the whole time?
- I'm not sure there's much information we can throw in here. I can't find anything more about the wife in the Brodhead book. I don't think the author found it a very important event, but it is fairly confusing. dci | TALK 19:08, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
- Well, if the information on his wife isn't out there, then I guess there's nothing to add. Do we have anything on what he did during these five years?
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- A couple of areas that need references:
- First paragraph of Southern border disputes
- Last paragraph of Revenue laws
- I've tried to add some sourceable information. dci | TALK 18:55, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
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OK, that's it for now. There are a few remaining issues from the last review to be ironed out and a couple of new things that jumped out at me. Once these are done I'll take another run through the article and see if there are any remaining issues, and then we should be good to go! Dana boomer (talk) 16:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- Is more work going to be done on this? It's a little frustrating to be asked to re-review this article when there are quite a few issues from the last review that have yet to be dealt with, and then to have this review proceeding so slowly. Dana boomer (talk) 02:03, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
- Yes. I'll be out of my home state this next week, and will probably not be editing much, so I'll see what I can fix up in the coming hours. dci | TALK 18:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm having some trouble with the sourcing for the new paragraph on the Maine/captive/shipping to Boston incidents, and I'm a bit confused about why this is happening. I'll try to get it fixed, but, just so you know, that info is sourced.dci | TALK 18:52, 18 February 2012 (UTC)- Just so you're aware, my responses are in the "old review" section, underneath their respective comments. dci | TALK 23:32, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
- Again, my apologies for taking a few days to get back to this - I somehow completely missed your replies on the 18th. At the moment, I think the missing sources in a couple of places is probably the biggest remaining issue. Dana boomer (talk) 17:00, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
- Yes. I'll be out of my home state this next week, and will probably not be editing much, so I'll see what I can fix up in the coming hours. dci | TALK 18:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Can we get an update on this? The unsourced information is currently the biggest issue. I saw your response above, but all you did was add new information and a source - the old information is still there and, AFAIK, not sourced. As soon as those sources go in, the article should be fairly close to passing, although I'll still want to take a final read-through. Dana boomer (talk) 15:07, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- I missed your comment when I checked this last, sorry for that. I'll see what I can do tonight. dci | TALK 22:33, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
- DCI, nothing has been done on this article in almost a month - and these are comments that have been entered since the beginning of my first review, which should have been addressed before it was nominated the second time! Are you planning to continue working on this article? Dana boomer (talk) 16:28, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
- It's very difficult to find sources for the phrases you mentioned explicitly in the review, and I do not have access to the paper copies of some of those books. To repeat what I've mentioned above a few times, I'm not sure if these are the most important parts of the article, or if the lack of sources for these parts is a major deterrent to the continuation of this review. However, you are the reviewer, and all decisions regarding this are up to you. In the meantime, I'll continue looking. dci | TALK 20:32, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- While I still feel that these points need references, and I would withhold support at FAC over this, I am not going to fail the GA nomination over these minor points. At this point, I am passing this article to GA status, as it is quite a nice article. However, I would hope that the nominator would continue working to address the final comments above, especially if they plan to take the article to FAC. Dana boomer (talk) 19:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- It's very difficult to find sources for the phrases you mentioned explicitly in the review, and I do not have access to the paper copies of some of those books. To repeat what I've mentioned above a few times, I'm not sure if these are the most important parts of the article, or if the lack of sources for these parts is a major deterrent to the continuation of this review. However, you are the reviewer, and all decisions regarding this are up to you. In the meantime, I'll continue looking. dci | TALK 20:32, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- DCI, nothing has been done on this article in almost a month - and these are comments that have been entered since the beginning of my first review, which should have been addressed before it was nominated the second time! Are you planning to continue working on this article? Dana boomer (talk) 16:28, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
- I missed your comment when I checked this last, sorry for that. I'll see what I can do tonight. dci | TALK 22:33, 25 March 2012 (UTC)