Talk:Edler

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Edler does not equal Baronet

An Edler would be the equivalent of an armigerous esquire not a baronet. In fact an Edler ranks below a Ritter (German Knight), so I have removed that sentence. The following equivalencies would be more approximate (not necessarily precisely so) in my opinion:

Von = (noble) Gentleman

Edler = (noble) Esquire

Ritter (non-hereditary) = Knight

Ritter (hereditary) = Baronet

Baron = no UK equivalent, except maybe a Scottish feudal baron

Freiherr = UK peerage Baron/Lord of Parliament

121.73.7.84 (talk) 10:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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If this were true, would you not want to modify the text in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baronet ?

"Baronetcies have three European equivalents from a ranking perspective: the Italian title of nobility Nobile, the Austrian and South German title of Edler von and the extinct old-Polish panek ("lordling"), although hereditary knights, such as the German and Austrian Ritter and the Dutch Erfridder, may be held to be similar."

Kattania 19:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Noble titles vs. Category:Noble titles by nation vs. Category:German noble titles

Category:German noble titles is itself a category within Category:Noble titles by nation which is in turn a category within Category:Noble titles. — Robert Greer (talk) 15:13, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heritable ?

Was this distiction heritable, or did it apply only to the original recipient? Jheald (talk) 11:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quatsch

Most of the above is nonsense, and comes from trying to approximate the German (and Continental) systems of Nobility with the quite different British system. Edler is completely different from Edler Herr. Edler is not considered a title at all, but is an augmentation of the status of an untitled noble, albeit a hereditary one. The same pertains to a German hereditary Knight. Edlers are not just southern German and Austrian, but also Saxon. Edler Herr is a title equivalent to Freiherr, both equivalent to Baron. A Baronet is not a noble, but is a hereditary distinction invented by an English king to augment his treasury. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.143.49.235 (talk) 22:37, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Von = Zu?

The text discusses "von" but the example given uses "zu"? Is there a difference? 63.82.23.2 (talk) 16:13, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]