Talk:Edith Jordan Gardner

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thanks Victuallers (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Notability???

Besides having a famous parent, how is this particular high school teacher notable? She does not appear to have done anything extraordinary in comparison to the tens of thousands of other dedicated American high school teachers who do not have articles in Wikipedia. As this article currently stands, it fails WP:BIO per WP:NOTINHERITED and may be a candidate for WP:AFD if it is not improved soon. -- 68.50.32.85 (talk) 00:17, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

on the difference of the tens of thousands of other dedicated American High School teachers, this teacher, who was also active in the League of Women Voters, was included in "Binheim, Max; Elvin, Charles A (1928). Women of the West; a series of biographical sketches of living eminent women in the eleven western states of the United States of America", and in that book there are just few hundreds of women. Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:39, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It may not be a bad idea to mention in the article the significance for a person alive in 1928 to be list in such a book and the publication is not similar to such 21st century vanity publication as the Who's Who Among American High School Students that include biographies of any student who is gullible enough to pay their publishing fee. It may also not be a bad idea to include in the article on how active Gardner was in the League of Women Voters and how she may have help get women to register to vote and to get women to run for political offices, both of which we take for granted a century later (though we have yet to see a woman in the Whitehouse). As it currently written, it just barely mentions her involvement in the LWP and could imply that her involvement might have been restricted to the donation of money to the cause. We need to show that things were really different then and then more women now in positions than a century ago and that there are currently thousands of women who are respected high school teachers that we need to remember, though may not be notable enough for Wikipedia. -- 50.195.200.161 (talk) 03:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, to all above. But I retired from Wikipedia, and I'm not adding more content. Therefore I will trust other editor to do this deed. Elisa.rolle (talk) 11:35, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I wish Elisa.rolle well in that's editor retirement from Wikipedia and have to thank her for starting this article and all of here work for Wikipedia. To other active editors, I have to give a warning that this article really needs more inline citations since, as it currently written, there is a strong probability that article could be deleted per WP:DEPTH. Although Women of the West (1928) is an interesting snapshot of America in 1928 and does have a few great gems (such as describing the first women state senator, the first PhD degree awarded by the University of California to a women, the first woman admitted to a law school in California as a result of a lawsuit by the applicant), about 90% of the persons described in this book could be described as upper middle class socialites. It is very frustrating that book does not record what a person may have actually done since a membership in a club could range from just donating money and organizing tea parties to actually protesting in front of city hall or assisting women farm workers in their right to vote. So I ask other editors, did Edith Jordan Gardner did any Wikipedia noteworthy work outside of teaching high school prior to her marriage? The written record is unfortunately relatively silent about her life after her marriage and there appears no evidence that she had held paid employment after her marriage. Her career at a high school teacher in Los Angeles may not be notable in itself since she was not the first woman to be employed as a teacher or a department head in that school district. -- 50.195.200.161 (talk) 02:47, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"note-boot system" or "note-book system"?

50.195.200.161, the "note-book system" is the practice to put a number near the place you want to comment and then write your not elsewhere using the reference number... could be that is instead of note-boot? --Elisa.rolle (talk) 07:24, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Elisa.rolle, thank you for correcting my addition to the article and for including the very important article from the San Francisco Chronicle since the author for the L.A. Times obviously did not know what he/she was writing about and that the copy editor at the times was asleep when the article was composed in lead type. Since my only source, at that time, was the Times article, I had to go with what was written since I did not enough information at the time to definitely say what was in print was correct or not. This event is a good example of why Wiki editors (as a group) need to find multiple sources of the same event that had happened over a century ago since different writers may include different things things that may help illuminate events and topics that may have disappeared from our collective memories through long elapse of time. BTW, do you think that it may be possible to find another large California city newspaper that may have reported on the same event (Sacramento, San Jose, or Oakland)? If I get energetic enough, I might write a short summery of the "note-book" controversy since I think that, according to the Chronicle article, Jordan and others were worried that students were just going to waste their time by copying sections of reference books into the "note sections" of the their papers that they would submit to their teachers which kind of defeats the purpose of the encouraging students in developing and presenting original thoughts. BTW, I have to thank you for taking time out from your retirement to vastly improve this article! This article is now maturing very nicely and their are now fewer gaps in her life's story and this is due mostly to YOUR hard work. -- 50.195.200.161 (talk) 02:51, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

50.195.200.161, some reference for you on the note book system (not much sorry):

- The Record-Union, (Sacramento, California), 17 Sep 1899, Sun • Page 6 [1] - The Checotah Times, (Checotah, Oklahoma), 01 Mar 1907, Fri • Page 6 [2] - The Bakersfield Californian, (Bakersfield, California), 25 Nov 1908, Wed • Page 1 [3] - The Gray County Beacon, (Cimarron, Kansas), 20 Jun 1912, Thu • Page 1 [4] - The Pantagraph, (Bloomington, Illinois), 05 Jun 1914, Fri • Page 9 [5] - The Humboldt Union, (Humboldt, Kansas), 30 Aug 1917, Thu • Page 8 [6] --Elisa.rolle (talk) 09:40, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Elisa.rolle, thanks for the interesting clippings. Unless we are able to get copies of the papers that were submitting at the CTA meeting concerning the controversy (which I sincerely doubt), I think the "note book system" might have slightly different meaning across the country. At least one of the clippings appears to be a part of an advert for what we now call ring binders, which were first patented in the USA around this time period (which I did not know). A few of the clippings mentioned the replacement of slates with loose leaf note books, an apparently radical concept in what appears to be the rural areas. Thanks for the search. I may try write a sentence that I may deduce upon the Chronicle article without straying too much into WP:OR. -- 50.195.200.161 (talk) 02:50, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Photograph in her father's book

Is there anyone around that has the skill to use either Photoshop or Gimp? If so, there is a 1909 photograph of Edith (and the rest of her family) that was published in her father's 1922 autobiography that is available on Archive.org which could be used for the article.

https://archive.org/stream/daysofmanbeingme01jord#page/300/mode/2up

Since the book appears to be out of copyright, the picture could be uploaded to Wikipedia under the Creative Commons License. -- 68.50.32.85 (talk) 23:45, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Photograph as Stanford student

There is a picture available of Gardner (listed as number 11) with her Kappa Alpha Theta sorority sisters that was probably taken around 1896, assuming that all of those pictured were then currently enrolled students and not graduates. The oldest were listed as members of the class of 1896 and the youngest were listed as members of the class of 1900 or possibly 1902. There might be also other notable persons included in the photograph. The image can be enlarged to almost any size and downloaded. Although the image is owned by Stanford University, it might be possible to redistribute the image for "educational" purposes, so check its redistribution status. It would be nice if the article could include either a cropped image and/or the whole photograph. -- 68.50.32.85 (talk) 02:15, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

https://exhibits.stanford.edu/women/catalog/jy703qv5940

Found a second photograph, she appears to be younger.

https://exhibits.stanford.edu/women/catalog/bx644zc6503

And a third taken in 1894.

https://exhibits.stanford.edu/women/catalog/yq871gm5977

A fourth taken in Spring 1895

https://exhibits.stanford.edu/women/catalog/hw435vt0606

-- 68.50.32.85 (talk) 03:16, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]