Talk:Edinburgh City Hospital

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Did you know... that Milestone House at the Edinburgh City Hospital was the first custom-built AIDS hospice in the UK?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that triple therapy for treating tuberculosis, introduced at the Edinburgh City Hospital, became standard treatment worldwide? Source: "... treatment which became known as "The Edinburgh method” using triple therapy of streptomycin, para-aminosalicylic acid (PAS) and isoniazid, became the standard treatment of tuberculosis for the next fifteen years worldwide." Source: Gray, James A. (1999). The Edinburgh City Hospital. East Linton: Tuckwell Press. ISBN 1862320969.
- ALT1:... that Milestone House at the Edinburgh City Hospital was the first custom-built AIDS hospice in the UK? Source: "In 1991 Milestone House, the first purpose-built AIDS hospice in the UK... Source Waverley Care, Herald
- ALT2:... "the combination of three antibiotics, for treating tuberculosis, introduced at the Edinburgh City Hospital, became standard treatment worldwide? Source: "... treatment which became known as "The Edinburgh method” using triple therapy of streptomycin, para-aminosalicylic acid (PAS) and isoniazid, became the standard treatment of tuberculosis for the next fifteen years worldwide." Source Gray, James A. (1999). The Edinburgh City Hospital. East Linton: Tuckwell Press. ISBN 1862320969.
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Moved to mainspace by Iainmacintyre (talk). Self-nominated at 18:52, 29 November 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Comment What about a slight rewording of the main hook as "... that Edinburgh City Hospital was the first to introduce the triple therapy treatment of tuberculosis, which went on to become standard practice worldwide?" With some slight edits to Tuberculosis management, you can link to that page for triple therapy as well. Nice work! Footlessmouse (talk) 22:49, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks @Footlessmouse: I'm always a bit hesitant about using the word "first" in this context. I've looked at your suggestion about rewording Tuberculosis management to provide a link but I think it would entail including details on the Streptomycin/PAS/Isoniazid combination which I don't feel competent to do. @Whispyhistory:, @Doc James: can you help on this one please. Papamac (talk) 12:05, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure..will have a look. Crofton demonstrated at Edinburgh, that triple therapy (Streptomycin/PAS/Isoniazid combination) could cure TB. The story is given in The greatest story never told [1], and other places [2] and an interview with Crofton for the WHO [3]. Triple therapy was developed by the Edinburgh team and the research would have involved several Edinburgh hospitals. I'll add the story to a history section in Tuberculosis management and look at how to link as per your suggestions. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:55, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think about simplifying it to "the use of three antibiotics for treating tuberculosis, introduced at..."? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:48, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Doc James:. I think "triple therapy" implies that the antibiotics were taken concurrently - the all important innovation to reduce drug resistance. "...the use of three antibiotics " somehow doesn't convey that. Would "...use of three antibiotics taken concurrently..." complicate the hook too much?Papamac (talk) 18:41, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

how about "three antibiotics at the same time" or a "combination of three antibiotics"? Whispyhistory (talk) 19:11, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I like "the combination of three antibiotics, introduced at the" Triple therapy dose not emphasize that we are talking about antibiotics Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:22, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree - I like that one too and added it as ALT2. Many thanks @Whispyhistory:, @Doc James:. Papamac (talk) 08:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for helpful comments. Ready for review. Papamac (talk) 14:56, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Iainmacintyre: New and long enough, Earwig finds no copyvios, QPQ done. A few paragraphs lack citations. You shouldn't boldface all the unit names, though that's a style issue beyond the DYK criteria. For ALT0 and ALT2, neither of the sources mention Edinburgh City Hospital specifically. For ALT1, I'd prefer an independent source. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 01:44, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for the review @John P. Sadowski (NIOSH):. I have found an independent source and added to ALT1. Point taken about City Hospital not being mentioned in sources for original and ALT2. The one source that does is Gray's book Edinburgh City Hospital and I have used this to replace the original sources. Unless a reviewer has access to this I appreciate it may have to be TOT. Papamac (talk) 16:05, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Iainmacintyre: I checked it out at Internet Archive and it looks good. The hook fact needs to be explicitly stated in the article. A few paragraphs still need citations. I'm unfamiliar with TOT, what does it mean? John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 22:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @John P. Sadowski (NIOSH):. Hadn't realised the book was available online. Useful resource to learn about. Have added appropriate link to that citation. I think all paras now are cited. TOT is 'taken on trust' when a reviewer doesn't have access to the cited source and relies on other evidence. Papamac (talk) 23:05, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go. Yes, Internet Archive isn't just old websites, it has books too now! I figured TOT was essentially a synonym for AGF. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 03:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]