Talk:Edgar Allan Poe and music

Notability

If a band is not notable enough to have its own WP article, it's doubtful that their recording music based on Poe is notable enough to mention in this article. Nareek 15:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Herr K's album "Histories" is listed here with a nice banner. This album is completely dedicated to Edgar Poe's works, I thinks that it's great, it's noted on some web sites (see also: [1] [2] [3] [4]), and it' s downloadable. Even if Herr K doesn't have an article (because they probably are not a popular commercial band, but even on a Netlabel), I think that they're worth short mentioning in just this article. Alex ex 17:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

The first link says this:

OK... if know of any songs that mention Poe in a significant way or his works, email your factoids to the House of Usher and they will be added to create a big list of Poe-related songs.

So it's not a great test of notability. The one of the other four websites that you cite that is in English has a Google ranking of 0, so that's not a great sign of notability either. See Wikipedia:Notability. Nareek 20:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

The Role of Music in Poe's Works

I like this article. I wonder if, to round it out, it should also include a section on what role music plays in Poe's works, instead of focusing only on his influence in music. It might give more insight into why Poe's works influence so many musicians. Poe's poems are all very musical, and lend themselves very well to melody, and music plays an important role in some of his short stories, especially "The Fall of the House of Usher". And in "The Philosophy of Composition" Poe argues that the musicality of a poem is more important than the theme or the meaning of the words. I was thinking maybe the article should start out with a brief mention of the role of music in his poems and stories, and then go on to how they have influenced other musicians. Just a thought. Wje 22:27, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good addition. Nareek 13:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

It sounds like a lot of work. :) I can't think of any resources that discuss this at length, otherwise I'd get the ball rolling. I agree, though, that info like that would be more relevant than most of what's on this page. -Midnightdreary 03:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Organisation

The Popular Music section is very informative but rather scattered. Perhaps it could be ordered by alphabet or date of the song? PlayCollective 02:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. It would help if we could get the date on most of these musical references. I'm not familiar with most of them. -Midnightdreary 15:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed here as well. I tend toward the belief that a chronological list would be preferred, with the list marked by year or by range of years, rather than in one very long, unbroken list. -MXVN (talk) 12:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Images

A few images were recently removed based on questions of fair use. I suppose I can't disagree with the removal of the image of Philip Glass, but the two album covers (one was Sgt. Pepper's, another was Lou Reed's "The Raven"), I believe, are covered as fair use - the article in question discusses those two albums (albeit briefly). I see no reason to question their fair usage. Any thoughts? -Midnightdreary 03:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

After some really interesting discussion with the user who removed the images, we agreed that Wikipedia policy suggests that these images (which are non-free) should only be used here if there is relevant critical discussion of the works depicted. As such, anyone can feel free to add a deeper discussion of Lou Reed's album as well as Sgt. Pepper's so that we can include the images again. Otherwise, I'll get to it myself in a few days. -Midnightdreary 16:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

What merits inclusion?

I'm certainly not the authority on this, but here are my suggestions for editors to consider BEFORE making additions to this list (especially the popular music section):

• NOTABLE works are most beneficial to this list; obscure tracks by obscure bands will only turn this into a TRIVIA list.
• Only include clear, obvious references to Poe or Poe's work. Speculative references are unacceptable (i.e. a ticking heart does not necessarily refer to "The Tell-Tale Heart," nor does the inclusion of a black bird automatically refer to the poem "The Raven").
• Perhaps most importantly, the more information you have, the better; CONTEXT is key (it will even help prove the above suggestion). Quote the song if you can, show how it is a direct reference, or even give a quote from a band where they admit the reference or influence. Dates are helpful, as are album names.
• Oh, and please write in FULL sentences. =)

Anything I'm forgetting or that other editors disagree with? --Midnightdreary 13:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Why Does This Article Even Exist?

I admit that it is interesting (and I even contributed--check out The Yardbirds' "Birdland" album; by far the best adaptation of Poe set to modern music!) but this article hardly seems cyclopedic. Should it even exist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MorbidAnatomy (talk • contribs) 02:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Mostly it's to keep editors from adding this sort of cruft to the main article on Poe. It's better than similar versions because it actually has a few footnotes. --Midnightdreary (talk) 18:18, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Usher Waltz

The name of the composer should be Nikita Koshkin and not Nikita KosherLucaje (talk) 17:44, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

So fix it. --Midnightdreary (talk) 18:13, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Structure

There is none, really. Maybe it could benefit from a structure similar to that in Music based on the works of Oscar Wilde? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 01:01, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Just stumbled across this as a reader and agreed; gave it a start. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 17:10, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Merge

The vote to merge the content of this article with that of Edgar Allan Poe in popular culture now fundamentally changes the purpose and topic of the latter article. Did those who voted for the merge actually acknowledge the scope of Edgar Allan Poe in popular culture? (Also, not sure I agree there was a consensus there.) --Midnightdreary (talk) 12:52, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree there was no consensus, but the Keep votes were outnumbered 4 to 3, so the admin chose Merge instead of Delete (both Merge and Delete got equal numbers of votes). I recommend taking the case to WP:DRV. If you do so, please ping me. By the way, the merger should be discussed on the destination article's talkpage, not here. Since only cited material should be merged, as it looks now there isn't going to be anything to merge anyway. If after a week goes by this article still stands, I will probably complete the action by simply redirecting the title. Softlavender (talk) 04:42, 29 December 2023 (UTC); edited 06:02, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't entirely agree with the assessment that "there isn't going to be anything to merge". The first item remaining after all of the unsourced and improperly sourced content has been removed is about the song, "Who the Hell Is Edgar?", which features Poe as a character. BD2412 T 14:00, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

I have removed the unsourced IP-added line: * The 1967 Beatles song I am the Walrus, written by John Lennon, includes the line, "Man, you should have seen them kicking Edgar Allan Poe." BD2412 T 20:55, 19 January 2024 (UTC)