Talk:Ecoagriculture

Concerning the Wikipedia page on ecoagriculture, EcoAgriculture Partners permits the use of "FAQs about ecoagriculture" under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License (CC-BY-SA) and the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts). Mmillerwiki (talk) 18:23, 13 December 2013 (UTC)Mmillerwiki

Merge to Conservation agriculture

After the intensive editing of this article, it is becoming plain that it is essentially just another take on Conservation agriculture (another agro-article starved for refs), so I suggest we merge whatever is left over to there: much of it is a WP:FORK of the account over there so there may not be a lot to copy across before we redirect. The lead image is excellent and I'll take it over there now. We should at least add "EcoAgriculture" as an alternative name for Conservation agriculture in its first sentence, citing it to the refs given here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:46, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

There are two other options:

• Merge with integrated landscape management, which appears to be ecoagriculture 2.0.
• Rename the article EcoAgriculture Partners
• If we do merge with Conservation agriculture, in all fairness, we should also merge integrated landscape management into that, if it proves to be similar pile of unsourced empty NGO-speak.

The only difference with Conservation agriculture appears to be the focus on large scale, and maybe a slightly bigger focus on third world rural development. It has also become clear that Scherr is more interested in promoting her new concept integrated landscape management, obviously a play on the more mainstream integrated pest management (regarding sustainable agriculture, we now also have "integrated crop management" and since 2009 "integrated farm management"), she barely mentions ecoagriculture in her 2013 article. If I'm understanding it right: ecoagriculture as fully formulated in 2003 contained 3 elements, ILM contained 4 key components in 2013, but now has "5 pillars".

I only like the history section.

I'm actually not a fan of the image -the only thing calling it an example of ecoagriculture is EcoAgriculture Partners, the landscape was created/preserved by Costa Rican laws enacted in the 1990s, if not much earlier in Monteverde's case. It's like they are co-opting someone else's work as an example of their own. Can't you find a similar image without the baggage, and just describe the windbreaks and etc. in the caption? Or at least get rid of the word ecoagriculture in the sky?

There is also Agroecology (horribly opinionated synthesis) and possibly more of that portmanteau ilk slunking around. Cheers, Leo Breman (talk) 13:45, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Gosh quite a confusing mess, promo, synthesis, barely-cited articles and shifting fashions. At least we don't have a crowd of baying fans adding cruft in all directions... The integrated landscape management article is actually much better cited, but it is not an exact synonym. I'm still in favour of a merge with Conservation agriculture. I didn't create the image, will see if there's any hope of getting the title text out of it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:05, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

I thought we could add the "history" section to history of ILM as a sort of precursor, but I am not particular to any of the options: if you are for merge with CA, okay, let's go for it. Leo Breman (talk) 14:23, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

I've sorted the image. So you'd like to merge this with ILM, extending its history back in time, a sort of Star Wars Prequel? That would work. The rest of the article is basically a fork of Conservation agriculture so it can just vanish when the article is redirected to ILM after merging the history. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:28, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure if the "EcoAgriculture" branding really passes muster for WP:DUE or even WP:GNG, but I'm not too picky on that one right now. I'll admit that Integrated landscape management is a new one to me, especially considering my background is in Integrated pest management (another article I'm hoping to clean up of jargon someday). Not sure what should be done with the ILM article yet, but at least it's a start condensing those two articles so far. It might be possible to merge conservation agriculture with ILM (cleaning up the ILM content in the process), but I can't really gauge how feasible that is right now without really digging into all the content. Kingofaces43 (talk) 19:40, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

I think ILM is a worthy stand-alone article topic. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:39, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, been busy. Just wanted to say I agree with the moves you've made, Chiswick Chap, and am happy with them. I also studied IPM back in the day, even gave a speech on it last year -that's real stuff applicable to any farm, which in my opinion should be mentioned in the sustainable agriculture article. IFM & ICM were created after my studies and are new to me, but looks like the direction modern farming is going, at least in the EU, these should also be in the SA article. ILM is also new for me and seems a bit weak, despite all the references, but I haven't really looked at the sourcing -at a glance my main contention with that article is the ugly overcomplicated prose. I'll give percolating something out of it a go just now, but to be honest I am tiring of this vague promotional stuff, would like to get back to more serious articles like grazing, SA, CA, etc. Leo Breman (talk) 21:55, 16 October 2019 (UTC)