Talk:EastEnders: E20

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Date	Process	Result
February 20, 2010	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on November 2, 2009.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that a team of 13 writers from London aged between 17 and 22 created and wrote the entire series of EastEnders: E20 at a summer school?

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Availabilty

will this online show be available to viewers in the Republic of Ireland??brian moore (talk) 23:23, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. Is iPlayer available to you? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well i cant watch anything on BBC.co.uk if thats wat u mean?? brian moore (talk) 22:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In that case you probably won't be able to watch this, but you could try anyway just in case. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:26, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the official website FAQ confirms that only viewers in the UK can watch it. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You could always use a proxy... Tory88 (talk) 20:33, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Quote

I've got this quote taken from a video, where Simon Nelson says "When they came up with the idea of a new set of characters moving into a house in Albert Square and their lives intertwining with those of the main characters of EastEnders, that was as close to a ??? as you get from a commissioning point of view." The word I've missed out sounds like "banker". Does anyone know what that might mean? The video is here. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:20, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Featured music

I wasn't sure if I should include this section at all, but the episode 3 list on the website is:

"Road Rage" – Dizzee Rascal
"Sweet Dreams" – Beyoncé
"True Skool" – Coldcut
"Lil Star" – Kelis
"Dirtee Cash" – Dizzee Rascal

but I'm pretty sure "Lil Star" and "Dirtee Cash" aren't featured. Also, "You've Got the Love" by Florence and the Machine" and someone's cover version of "I Heard It Through the Grapevine" (Kaiser Chiefs?) are also in the episode. There's no source for those two though, so I'm unsure what to do. I want it to be verifiable, but I also want it to be accurate! Should the section be removed? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:51, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I watched again and "Lil Star" is definitely featured but it's very quietly playing in the café. "Dirtee Cash" is also there, I just didn't notice it. So I'm happy about that. There's still two songs not listed on the BBC site :( AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:44, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose as I'm citing the episode, and not just the webpage the episode is on, I could just add them... I'm talking to myself here. Is anyone else even watching this page? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is the incidental music really notable enough that every single backing track played needs to be listed in the article? I understand that it's notable insofar as EastEnders itself doesn't feature incidental music, but that's covered succinctly in a single sentence in production. Same with the lengthy list of every single crew member. I think half the reason we can link to IMDb is because they list intricate details like that which aren't really noteworthy on Wikipedia. I understand mentioning writers, executive producers and directors, but getting down to lot assistants and lighting folk seems a bit indiscriminate. YMMV, however :) Frickative 21:20, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

YMMV? I did see on the TV MOS that crew lists shouldn't be included because they'll be on IMDb, and in this case it's on the official site. I did say "I wasn't sure if I should include this section at all" because I had my doubts but did it anyway. It probably doesn't need to be included. They should release a soundtrack CD though! Shall I remove both sections? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:34, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your mileage may vary - just meant that you may well disagree which is fine :) Personally I'd be inclined to remove both sections... actually I just saw that you already did it a few hours ago! Haha, well this was a redundant reply then. Frickative 05:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I knew they shouldn't really be there, I just needed confirmation. But I knew what you would say so I didn't wait. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 11:53, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:EastEnders: E20/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

This article is largely in great shape, and most of my concerns below I'm sure can be addressed quickly. Please address each item line-by-line and I'll strike them as we go. If I could offer a word of constructive criticism, I think in the future you should try to use less quotes (especially long quotes) and consider where you can paraphrase instead. Ok, here we go... — Hun ter Ka hn 21:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Could you perhaps put in the first sentence when it ran? For example, "...soap opera, which premiered in January 2010" or "which originally ran from January 8 to January 25, 2010" or something like that?
- Done, and changed the second paragraph to avoid repetition.
My impression is this series ran and is over, right? If so, you should be using past tense here, not present tense. (In other words, "was" instead of "is", and "followed" instead of "follows".)
- The series is over but all the episode are still available on the internet.
Where did this, this video, this and this originally air? I ask because they seem like a legitimate BBC documentary, but typically YouTube videos aren't acceptable as reliable sources. If this documentary originally aired on YouTube, they could be considered acceptable. However, if they originally aired on BBC television or on their official website, the source should be to that, not the YouTube video...
- I'm not sure of the exact dates they originally aired but they all came out about a week apart in January. The first two were originally on the BBC website here but each was replaced with the next and I discovered the BBC had put them on Youtube as well. The third and fourth were on Youtube before the website, but only the fourth video is available on the website now. Any suggestions? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - So wait, they originally aired on television? Or on the website? — Hun ter Ka hn 22:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - The first two originally aired on the BBC's media literacy website, and last two originally aired on Youtube, but only the last video is available on the BBC site now. It is the official BBC's Youtube channel, though. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:01, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conception

The third paragraph is basically a collection of long quotes. I think you should look it over again and see if you could paraphrase some of it. As a general rule of thumb, quotes should only be used when you couldn't possibly say it better yourself in the prose...
- I have a bad habit of over-relying on quotes and I know it's an issue, and I find it quite tricky with longer quotes. Did my best! AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:46, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Production

You might also consider cutting down on some of the quotes in the second paragraph here...
- Done.
"Sathe commented: "We created some brilliant scenes from the eavesdropping stuff."" I'm not sure what this means? The sources says "They developed scripts by listening to conversations on buses and in the shopping centre", and that starts to get touched on after this quote, but as its written now, that quote is unexplained and confusing.
- I only added that quote today. It was in the wrong place. I've moved it to after the "listening to conversations" sentence.
"...Scott Matthewman of The Stage said "make[s] it feel more like an episode of Hollyoaks." Could you add some context as to what Hollyoaks is? As an American reader, I've never heard of it. Also, I don't think this has to be in quotes, you could easily paraphrase it...
- I added "a Channel 4 soap opera targetted at a teen audience." - does that help? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:46, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Casting

"Kenny said "I'm really thrilled to have been given the opportunity..." Unless I'm missing something, I don't see the quote in this source?
- I have a primary source for the full quote, is that ok? I think I was trying to replace some of the primary sources but didn't realise the full quote wasn't in the reference I replaced it with.
"She confirmed: "My voice is completely different..." Can you trim some of this quote? I think it's unnecessarily long...
- Paraphrased.
"Ricky Norwood said, "I am so excited to be on the show, it's an honour to now be a part of a show that has been on in my house for as long as I have been alive. I am born and bred in the East End – a stone's throw from the real Albert Square – it feels like a homecoming. I love being part of a cast that feels like family and can't wait to have a scene in the [Queen] Vic." This quote, too, I think could use some trimming. In fact, I don't even see the first part "I am so excvited to be on the show" at the source...
- Oops, that was the replaced primary source again. I've shortened the quote. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:59, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Characters

In the first sentence of the description of each of the four main characters, you quote prose from the articles. (For example, in Zsa Zsa Carter, you have, "She is described as "Beautiful, funky and an outspoken tomboy...") You should only use quotes when quoting a specific person, not to quote the prose of an article or source. You should rework these into article prose and drop the quotes. In all of these cases, it should be easy to do.
- Paraphrased them all.
"Norwood explained: "He doesn't like his real name so he tried to create something that would get away from..." I don't see this quote in the source? This, too, you might consider paraphrasing anyway...
- Paraphrased, and found the correct reference. I also added something about the character's parents. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:50, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll place this on hold for now. Thanks! — Hun ter Ka hn 21:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Checklist

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
Nice work! That's a pass! — Hun ter Ka hn 13:26, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources to add

[1][2][3][4][5] –anemone projectors– 14:46, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]