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GA Review

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Reviewer: Kosack (talk · contribs) 14:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I'll take a look at this one, will post review as soon as possible. Kosack (talk) 14:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• I'd move ref 1 the other side of the comma.
• "He spent a couple of seasons in Minor League Baseball", couple is a little informal. If we know how many seasons he was there, I'd use the exact number.
• "pitching his first full MLB season in 1942", there are three uses of "in xxxx" in quick succession here that are a little jarring. Perhaps dropping this one for "the following year/season"?
• "was a member of one of baseball's best pitching rotations", this phrase is a little ambigious. Who's regarding them as such and it's not really clear if it was at the time or in history.
• "become one of the best pitchers of the 1950s", again according to who?
  • Changed to better reflect what Wynn actually said; way it's worded now should make clear that better is according to Wynn. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 22:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• "He won 20 or more games five seasons with the Indians", I'm reading this as he won 20+ games in five different seasons? If so, this could be written clearer.
• Link pennant to Pennant (sports).
• "as the Dodgers won the series in six games", first mention of the Dodgers. Add the full name and link.
• "Today, he is one of 23 MLB pitchers to win 300 games", I'd avoid using today as it could easily become outdated. Perhaps use an "As of August 2020" per WP:As of?
• Perhaps link assisted living.

Early life

• Semipro > semi-professional, and add a link.
• No mention of his ancestry from ref 3? Especially his Indian heritage which seems to garner some attention.
• Also worth mentioning his high school and farmwork from the same source?
• Link minor league.

Washington Senators (1939, 1941–44, 1946–48)

• Link the first use of home run.
• "Wynn's threw a two-hit", I'm guessing the apostrophe and s is misplaced here.
• In the fourth paragraph, there are three consecutive sentences that begin with "On this date he..." this gets a little repetitive to read. Can these sentences, or at least two of them be tied together more?
  • That's what happens when someone doesn't quite write the article chronologically :) fixed. 22:58, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• "entering June 29 but would lose 10 decisions in a row from June 29 through August 13", the double use of June 29 is a bit repetitive. I would look to reword this, perhaps "lose 10 decisions in the following two weeks, not winning another game until August 13"? Or if you have better ideas?
• Do we have a link for tank corps? There is one WW2 unit at Armoured corps, do we know if that's the right one?
  • Probably not; Wynn served in the Pacific, and that unit was in North Africa. Without further clarification on which unit it was, I'd leave this as-is. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 23:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
    • Agreed. Kosack (talk) 09:11, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• "He came within one out of completing his first victory of the season", I had to read this more than once as it later adds "but still earning the win". I get what you're saying but it's a little confusing and almost makes it sound like he lost in the first part. Perhaps dropping the victory from the first part? Along the lines of "came withing one out of pitching a complete game" or similar?
• Use the full term and brackets method for the first use of RBI.
• "In a December", no need for the "a" here.

Cleveland Indians (1949–57)

• "former Indians star Mel Harder", star sounds like a peacock term.
  • Changed to objective facts, cited facts. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 00:05, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Mike Garcia is piped to a redirect, no real need for this if you're already piping.
• "August 28 started a streak", the double use of the date is in quite close succession. Why not simply "The victory" rather than the date?

Chicago White Sox (1958–62)

• Link Sports Illustrated.
• "and Camilo Pascual's 179", missing closing bracket?
• Link gout.
• "In 1962, Wynn having shifted mostly to pitching with the slider and the knuckleball", this sentence seems to be missing a conclusion?

1963: The Pursuit of Win #300

• Maintain sentence format in headings, so pursuit and win shouldn't be capitalised here.
• Link spring training.
• "are still to this day the longest gap between", again watch phrases like "to this day" as these provide no timeframe and can easily become out of date.
• "Today, he is still one of only 23 pitchers to win 300 games", same as above.

Legacy

• "he endured pain much of the second half of his career", through much perhaps?
• "major leaguer to pitch at least 23 seasons in the majors", sentence is kind of repeating itself. "The first player to pitch at least 23 seasons in the major leagues"?
• "Today, Wynn still ranks", today again.
• same as Lemon > equal with Lemon?
• Does number 100 need capitalising?
• Sentence ends with a comma.

Later life

• "Perhaps Williams's reluctance was due to his assessment of Wynn", this sentence seems to be reaching a conclusion that the source doesn't support.
• Link assisted living.

Toughness

• Closing bracket needed for the final quote.

References

• Ref 8 uses .com for Baseball-Reference but the rest don't. Not a major issue for GA, but worth adjusting I would say.
• What is the Nash/Zullo book referencing?
  • Refs 153 and 155 Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 00:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Categories

• Sanford Lookouts players is included here but I can't see them mentioned in the text?
  • They were one of the minor league teams he played for. Since this article was long already, I decided not to make it so detailed that it mentioned each of the minor league teams by name; it is referred to by the last sentence of the early life section. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 00:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• The Native American sportspeople category is included here. The first issue is that this isn't mentioned in the text, although I did mention adding it above so if you do this point is fine. The second is that the category states the players included should be "enrolled citizens of a tribe from the United States". I'm not really sure what that means, but I'd be surprised if Wynn went that far.
  • Added it above, but I doubt he did go that far, so I will remove the category. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 00:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

A nice article overall, detailed with most of the major points covered well. The copyvio detector is scoring a bit high but that can be largely attributed to quotes and basic terminology, so I think we're OK there. I've listed issues that I came across above, these are mostly minor grammar issues and Typos. Placed on hold for now while these are addressed. Kosack (talk) 19:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Fast work! All of my issues above have been addressed. Happy to promote.