Talk:EH Bildu

Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was to merge. RJFF (talk) 14:14, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

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I propose that Bildu be merged into Euskal Herria Bildu. The articles are mostly redundant. "Bildu" was the outfit under which the left-wing Basque nationalist camp ran in the 2011 regional and local elections. The same political camp ran under the outfit of "Euskal Herria Bildu", or "EHBildu", in the 2012 Basque parliament election. As of today, "Bildu" (being the party that ran for the 2011 local election) has no working website, while the website of EHBildu lists the local and territorial councillors elected in 2011 for "Bildu" as councillors of "EHBildu". Both outfits use(d) practically the same corporate design, consist of the same political figures, have very similar names: therefore I would say it is in fact one and the same party, just running under slightly different names for the two elections, and should be presented in a single article. --RJFF (talk) 10:46, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

I support the merger mainly because the councillors elected in 2011 for Bildu are listed as councillors of EHBildu in the latter's website and because it's clear to me that EHBildu is the evolution of Bildu. The two subjects, which are in fact the same one, do not deserve separate articles. --Checco (talk) 07:34, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Support - The Basque context is very tricky as regards a merger of party names since name changes have far-reaching legal implications (the Spanish authorities have recurrently showed an ad hominem drive to outlaw Basque political platforms). However Checco's grounds are reasonable enough, a merger is accurate and will add to a traceability and comprehension of related events. Iñaki LL (talk) 06:40, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

On the merger I think that they should be merged, as long as it is mentioned that in Navarre the Party is still known as Bildu, and the full history of EH Bildu and Bildu must be included along with the Bildu Logo. Brendanww2 (talk) 01:19, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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Contradiction

How can a party be Internationalist and Nationalist at the same time?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editorialix (talk • contribs) 11:51, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

I have changed this because the party simply does not endorse Internationalism of any kind.Brendanww2 (talk) 01:19, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Not a contradiction at all, and in fact EH Bildu espouses both mainstream Internationalism and Socialist internationalism. Obviously, left-wing nationalism is only incompatible with hardline Antinationalism. PanchoS (talk) 13:52, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Name move

Hi, just a technical move but for full consensus. Brackets are not necessary since there is no need for disambiguation. Iñaki LL (talk) 20:53, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Political position

I think EH Bildu should not be considered as far-left. It's a coalition formed by 4 parties, and the major party Sortu as well as the minor Alternatiba could be considered far-left, but Aralar is simply a left-wing party, not as radical as the others, and EA is a social democratic party. So I think the political position should be from centre-left to far-left, or simply left. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.130.138.220 (talk • contribs)

The problem here lies with the source, it is a valid, academic reference and it states so ("extreme left"). Unless the source is disputed, nothing can be done. There may be other sources sticking to WP:RS that state otherwise or are complementary, and may be added. Iñaki LL (talk) 22:44, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Fine, I'll try finding other sources, but it may be difficult, because most of the people, as well as analists, identify EH Bildu with the major party within, Sortu, which is indeed a far-left party. Probably this can't be done, but unless we could find other source, I suggest changing it based on the political position of the coalition members (from EA's centre-left to Sortu's far-left) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.130.137.228 (talk) 09:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Please sign your comments. If you find other good sources, they are welcome. I take it to be a very unfortunate definition and reflecting Spanish official views, still the reference is good. Iñaki LL (talk) 11:29, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Senate members April 2019

Kaixo Aihotz, I should think you are right... Still look at the distribution at this moment, these are the actual data now. How do you explain that? Iñaki LL (talk) 16:01, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Charicaric, as I said if there are sources that pinpoint otherwise I should be fine. Meanwhile, the results provided by the sources are the only valid figure. Check out also this. Regards Iñaki LL (talk) 22:39, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Kaixo (hi), Iñaki LL. Like I said, a senator elected by direct suffrage and another by appointment of the Basque Parliament. The second senator is Idurre Bideguren, appointed today. Check out this. Regards Aihotz (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Kaixo Aihotz, the piece of news reads "en sustitución de", so no news with respect to the number of senators! (Please also write under the last comment, that is the regular way!;) Iñaki LL (talk) 17:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Kaixo, Iñaki LL. A senator elected by direct suffrage, Gorka Elejabarrieta, plus a second by appointment of the Basque Parliament, Idurre Bideguren. So today the representation of EH Bildu in the Spanish Senate is two senators. No need to complicate. Regards Aihotz (talk) 17:52, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Aihotz, I have no preferences, I may be wrong, but that is just what all the sources go; bring the source here and that will settle the thing! For the time being, here your are this, for one. Iñaki LL (talk) 20:04, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Kaixo, Iñaki LL. I think you’re only considering one of the two senatorial election procedures in Spain. As you can see here the procedure is double. The document you present only reflects the first. That is, by which 208 of the 266 senators are elected. The remaining 58, which are not reflected in "your" document, are chosen by the second procedure: the appointment by autonomous parliaments. Here is a graphic representation. If you are not convinced, we can look for more documents. Regards Aihotz (talk) 21:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Aihotz, this is somewhat awkward really and I do not know what to think, since there are differing criteria used to define the number of senators for each party, see for PP here, for example, 56 senators, and not 74. Could you guide us, Impru20, on the common criteria used to define the number of senators? Iñaki LL (talk) 22:07, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Senators in the "Electoral performance" section should be limited to those directly elected in the general election, which is what the section is meant for and the criterion used for other political party pages. Regionally-appointed senators have nothing to do with general election results and thus should be left out from there.

This is different from the infobox, which shows all seats under the party's control at any given time. This means that, for the Spanish Senate, that would include both the directly-elected and the regionally appointed senators. Should the number of senators change, the infobox should be updated to reflect that. In this case, if EH Bildu has 1 directly-elected senator and 1 regionally appointed senator, that means that 1 would be shown in the "Electoral performance" section, but 2 in the infobox. Impru20^talk 22:21, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Impru20. In fact, I have changed the representation in the infobox and not in the "Electoral performance" section. Aihotz (talk) 22:41, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

That was a bit confusing, but great! Good to know, that is an improvement. Thanks Impru20 and Aihotz. Iñaki LL (talk) 07:06, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Impru20, the Cortes Generales in the Electoral Performance section should then reflect 1 or 2? I understand from your explanation it is just one. Iñaki LL (talk) 07:15, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Color change/update proposal

The party began to use mainly turquoise color in the design of the website and pages on the party's web resources, and changed the color of the logo with the letters "eh bildu" to black (instead of lime green).

Should I update the logo and color of the party? What do you want to do with this rebranding? PLATEL (talk) 17:26, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi @PLATEL! In what concerns to the color of the party I think it should remain lime green for now. It's been used for more than 10 years and in the last elecotral charts I've seen all the newspapers use the lime green.

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Moreover I've found their statutes from 2021 when it looks that they already used the turquoise and literally says that the logo colour is (Pantone 382 C). It really looks that there has been a change in the logo but I haven't found any source that specifies which the new logo is apart from social networks avatars. Cheers! Basque mapping (talk) 22:33, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

I could create a separate color template for the new party style. do you mind? PLATEL (talk) 06:58, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Well, in case you do it I see two possibilities:

•   #08A3A6 (used in the website)
•   #00CEB5 (used in some official documents)

Anyway PLATEL, I'd wait to see wether any other users like Impru20 give their opinion. Basque mapping (talk) 15:55, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

We can list that one as one of the party's official colours, but customarily it's still represented in news media and sites by the current lime green. Further, the use of turquoise would make it a nightmare for graphs and charts, since it's the same colour already in use by Más País or Together for Catalonia (2020). It will also make it much harder to differentiate to Basque Nationalist Party, in a context in which the two parties are the main parties in the Basque Country.

Just as Christian Democratic Union of Germany uses black instead of orange (which is its official colour), I'd vote for using the same scheme here. We don't need to change the colour template (plus the fact that the current lime green it's still in the logo as one of the four colours shown, together with pink, turquoise and green). Impru20^talk 09:38, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi! T think like you, but in my opinion is rare to see the new Turquoise logo, with Lime green color templates in wikipedia pages, i think that is proved that the party wants to use turquoise for the next years as official color, it's a matter of time that all media change the color for Bildu on their charts, and maybe a more dark turquoise, like 08A3A6, would be a great color for EH Bildu, and would be differentiated from Together for Catalonia, that uses a more light turquoise, Más País now is merged into Sumar, so the difference between them and Bildu/JxCat would not be a problem. Even the color of Bildu in 2011, then named Amaiur, was dark Turquoise, maybe you could reconsider. 84.125.74.124 (talk) 17:14, 2 July 2023 (UTC)