Talk:Dylan Cozens (baseball)

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An editor had done a drive-by set of deletes of normal, RS-supported material. Because in his personal view material is "unnotable minor league awards and excessive analytics", even though RS-supported.

It is just weird.

The "unnotable minor league awards"? That includes awards like the Joe Bauman Home Run Award, with a whole article devoted to Cozens receiving the award as a footnote, and the "unnotable" award having a full Wikipedia article on it!

The "excessive analytics" he is deleting? Oh, just stuff like slash lines. Like reflecting not just the number of strikeouts, but the number of at bats they came in (he thinks that NEEDS to be deleted ... huh??).

Oh, and heavily covered (many articles) stuff like Cozens fight with Boog Powell - deleted with no explanation.

I tried reverting the deletions with an explanation in my edit summary.

He responded with an edit-summary-less revert.

Can experienced editors take a look, please, and put back the deleted material? Maybe User:Muboshgu and User:Yankees10? Thanks.

Very frustrating. Makes one not want to contribute to the project when an editor just deletes stuff like this, bullying, because of his personal opinion of what is important. --2604:2000:E010:1100:2548:16B3:8544:B7CF (talk) 18:30, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Drive by set of deletes"? I created the article so to say my arrival here is "drive by" is absurd. The minors are not what makes Cozens notable though there are some important aspects that are already mentioned; the onus is on you to explain why there needs to be even more (in my opinion undue) attention to his minor league career, especially when his major league career has begun. Casting aspersions, by claiming contesting material is bullying, will not help gain consensus.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 19:16, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry. I did mean to mention that you started the article. I did not understand though that that gave you special rights. If that is the case, I was not aware.

I view 2,400 byte edit-summary-less deletes like this as drive-by. You couldn't even stop, while deleting another editor, who had left an edit summary himself, to leave the edit summary that you in turn are supposed to leave - especially when deleting the edits (with refs) of another editor. 2604:2000:E010:1100:D95F:149D:1831:D7D7 (talk) 21:18, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody WP:OWNS an article here, including the article's creator. That editor gets no "special rights". I just did a copy edit. Are there any specific content issues that are under debate at this point? – Muboshgu (talk) 21:28, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I was not sure, but that is good to know. Yes - I would like to restore the edits that were deleted without edit summary here, for the reasons I said both above and in my earlier edit summary adding them. But when I tried to do that, even with edit summary, I was just deleted without edit summary. So I came here, to explain myself more. And to see if someone can help .. I do not want to waste time editing an article at wikipedia if editors just say, "in my opinion slash lines should be deleted" ... and deletes slash lines I added, and says "in my opinion, the Joe Bauman Home Run Award is a minor award, and this guy winning it and having (at least 1) full article about that does not matter, so I'm deleting it" ... and then he goes and deletes it.

I thought for a moment that if he is right, and he created the article so he gets to delete other editors additions of this information even though the press covered it, well maybe I'm wrong. And should just feel bummed about adding stuff supported by press that he deleted. It's his article. But from what you say it seems that maybe I should not look at it that way. Maybe you could look at the stuff he deleted? 2604:2000:E010:1100:D95F:149D:1831:D7D7 (talk) 21:52, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We certainly want to invite anybody to edit an article as long as they can edit constructively. @TheGracefulSlick:, please be a little more welcoming to a new contributor based on the advice at WP:BITE. As for the specific content that was deleted, I'll need to look at it later when I can devote my full attention to it. The Joe Bauman Award should certainly stay, I don't need to think on that. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:06, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I never claimed I own "special rights". I would have been happy to welcome the IP had their opening to this conversation not included accusations of bullying and "drive-by deletions".TheGracefulSlick (talk) 22:23, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

”Drive by” means “Done quickly or in a cursory manner” so I’m not sure how there can be any true upset about the phrase. Large deletions like that, without any edit summary, deleting such awards as have wiki articles as non notable (and deleting slash lines and the other notable information) - a reasonable person could say it looks like a “cursory” or “quick” deletion.” It’s not like saying a person is a criminal shooting from a car. Or saying you are trying to hide information like the Boog Powell fight even though the media had articles on it. 2600:1017:B821:4A53:1565:6BD4:A340:5762 (talk) 05:25, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And how’s this for bizarre - Slick just recently undid an editor’s deletion, saying the editor had engaged in ... you guessed it ... “drive by” editing. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mossad&diff=prev&oldid=844619143 The words he here says are offensive to him. (Oddly, even though that editor left a edit summary rationale). He seems to say though that his having started the article puts him in a category that makes his big no-explanation delete edits ok, even if the award and other normal stuff, and not drive by, but I am understanding that may not be the case. 2600:1017:B821:4A53:1565:6BD4:A340:5762 (talk) 05:36, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would appreciate if you would stop saying I told you that me creating the article granted me some special privileges; it does not, and I never said it did. I also did provide an edit summary on my first revert. At that point, per onus, it was up to you to come to the talk page to discuss. By the way, I am not a "he".TheGracefulSlick (talk) 06:20, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I was thinking of what you wrote above. Explaining why it was fine for you to delete a huge amount of text with footnotes. That had been restored with an edit summary explaining why the footnotes and text were relevant (and your delete had no edit summary). You wrote above “I created the article ..” If that gives you special rights, I apologize. If not, then your earlier big delete edit summary was of no help to anybody. It said stuff that was not true - like the award you were deleting was “unnotablr”. That is where you bothered to explain your thinking. It is not good enough to give a reason in an edit summary that is untrue. Right? And all the other stuff that all had footnotes you just seem to delete because even though the press footnotes are there, Slick doesn’t like it. And Slick who wrote this article knows better than the reporters what is worth covering. 2604:2000:E010:1100:F992:1A81:9297:4CFE (talk) 18:18, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to enjoy exasperating the situation. Let me know when you cool off and we can have a real discussion. Thanks.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 19:14, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 January 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to move page and make Dylan Cozens a DAB page. (closed by non-admin page mover) — YoungForever^(talk) 02:35, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dylan Cozens → Dylan Cozens (baseball) – no clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC Joeykai (talk) 01:50, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. Dylan Cozens should be a disambiguation page listing Dylan Cozens (baseball) as well as Dylan Cozens (ice hockey). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 09:26, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support as the pageviews clearly show the person represented by the primary topic is no longer the primary topic. There may also be a case for making the ice-hockey player the primary topic, but his career is early so I think it's fair to DAB Dylan Cozens. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Bungle. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:59, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support and DAB at base name.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:08, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.