Talk:Dyfi Bridge
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 | On 13 August 2019, it was proposed that this article be moved from Pont ar Dyfi to Pont ar Ddyfi. The result of the discussion was moved to Dyfi Bridge. |
Requested move 13 August 2019
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Moved to Dyfi Bridge per nom's later preference with no opposition. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 15:35, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
| It was proposed in this section that Pont ar Dyfi be renamed and moved to Pont ar Ddyfi.
The discussion has been closed, and the result will be found in the closer's comment. Links: current log • target log |
Pont ar Dyfi → Pont ar Ddyfi – Suggesting the use of grammatically correct and more common spelling if the Welsh name is to be used. Tk420 (talk) 21:10, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- Move but to Dyfi Bridge On the Google test I get about 3,930 results for Pont ar Ddyfi vs about 16,000 results for Pont ar Dyfi asking me if I mean 'Pont ar Ddyfi' and about 197,000 results for Dyfi Bridge. The Welsh Government refers to the bridge as 'Pont ar Ddyfi'.[1] As for the media North Wales Live refers to it as Pont ar Ddyfi[2] however, I tend to see Dyfi Bridge more often e.g in the BBC,[3] ITV[4] and the Powys County Times.[5] The bilingual road signs on the approach to the bridge, warning of its liability to flooding, which can be seen on Google Street View refer to it as Pont Dyfi/Dyfi Bridge. This suggests that the name Dyfi Bridge might be more familiar to English-speakers although it could be argued that the Welsh name should be used to avoid the need for disambiguation from the proposed new bridge and from the concept of a bridge across the Dyfi in general considering English-speakers are familiar with the French names for the bridges and main railway stations in Paris. However, the name Severn Bridge is used to refer to the bridge carrying the M48 across the river Severn without causing confusion with the other bridges across the same river. On hindsight after doing the research for my sources I would now favour moving this article to Dyfi Bridge as it seems to be the more common name in English-language resorces but I still favour Pont ar Ddyfi if the Welsh name is to be used. Tk420 (talk) 22:03, 13 August 2019 (UTC) edited.
- No strong opinion either way, as author of the original article there were certainly several official sources that called it 'Pont ar Dyfi', though evidently in later days it is more often referred to with the soft mutation "Ddyfi". Judging by the recent news coverage, the proposed new bridge is referred to as the 'Dyfi Bridge', so basing the decision simply on Google hits is not ideal, or telling the true picture. I'd have no objections to 'Dyfi Bridge' or 'Pont ar Ddyfi'. Sionk (talk) 00:26, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I do admit that search engine results should be used with caution, when trying to determine the most common name, having read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) although I have performed a Google Trends comparison suggesting there are more searches for Dyfi Bridge than for Pont ar Dyfi or Pont ar Ddyfi.[6] I have also read in WP:COMMONNAME Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Multiple local names Simple Google tests are acceptable to settle the matter, despite their problems; one solution is to follow English usage where it can be determined, and to adopt the name used by the linguistic majority where English usage is indecisive. As for the matter of disambiguation from the proposed new bridge (if it is built remembering Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a crystal ball) the new structure might not necessarily be notable enough to have its own article though it could be included in another section in this article. Tk420 (talk) 22:07, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
References
- ^ "A487: new Dyfi bridge (overview)". Welsh Government. Retrieved 31 July 2019.
- ^ "New £29m bridge branded 'a monumental mistake' that will increase journey times". North Wales Live. 21 November 2017. Retrieved 13 August 2019.
- ^ "Work on new Machynlleth Dyfi bridge could start in 2016". BBC News. 1 May 2014. Retrieved 13 August 2019.
- ^ "Homes and historic sites hit by flooding in North and Mid Wales". ITV News. 16 March 2019. Retrieved 13 August 2019.
- ^ "MACHYNLLETH: Dyfi Bridge re-opens after diving team and crane remove huge tree trunk". Powys County Times. 9 November 2018. Retrieved 13 August 2019.
- ^ "Compare Pont ar Ddyfi, Dyfi Bridge, Pont ar Dyfi". Google Trends. Retrieved 14 August 2019.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.