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Did you know... that a Dunne D.8 flew from Eastchurch to Villacoublay, crossing the English Channel, in August 1912?

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Channel Crossing

Interested to see the dyk above but I have two sources that say it was in 1913 and one that he stopped at Boulogne?

"The Cross-Channel Flight Of Captain Félix." The Times, Wednesday, 13 Aug 1913 - (Paris Aug 12) Captain Fèlix who has flow from Eastchurch to Versailles on a new Dunne aeroplane.. Both during his flight from Eastchurch to Boulogne yesterday and during his flight from Boulogne to Versailles to-day the ...

Science Museum description regarding a 1:10 scale model of the Dunne "8" biplane 1912 The model shows the Dunne biplane known as No.8, built and flown at Eastchurch during 1912-1913. A similar machine, but fitted with a 80hp Gnome engine, was flown from Eastchurch to Paris by Commander Felix during August 1913.

Any comments? MilborneOne (talk) 16:30, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another interesting bit in a letter to the Times by Dunne in 1913 to answer critics about the late delivery of two machines ordered by the War Office The machine which Commander Félix has taken to France is an old one, built in 1911, but now equipped with an engine belonging to the Nieuport Company. MilborneOne (talk) 16:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think the 1913 date must be right, though I'll go back and check Flight. Of the various sources, Barnes doesn't mention the flight, Lewis, which I've just got, says 11-12 August 1913. G&T have the same date and month, but say 1912. A mistake, surely? Just looked at those notes of Dunne's (that led to the D.8 model in the SM) and he says 1913. I'll sort it - well spotted!TSRL (talk) 16:59, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of these mention the stopover explicitly, but he must have overnighted (night of 11th) somewhere. Can't find a Flight mention of his flight apart from a nice picture of the Dunne over an aviation meeting at Deauville in the 6 September 1913 issue.TSRL (talk) 17:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No-one seems quite sure when the first D.8 flew, but the D.5 from which it was rebuilt crashed in 1911 so "built in 1911" sounds right. No record of what happened to this aircraft from other sources, so parts might have been used by Nieuport for their 1913 Aero Salon machine, though the Flight account makes it they made many design changes. That Gnome might have been Nieuport owned.TSRL (talk) 17:30, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sticking with 1913 cross channel year, bu oddly Katherine Atholl's letter says 1912.TSRL (talk) 20:27, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Goodall and Tagg

Goodall and Tagg's book is an unreliable source for the Dunne machines. It makes a real dog's breakfast of the monoplanes and of the D.9 (which other, more reliable sources make clear was an unequal-span biplane or sesquiplane). Unless anybody objects I will remove all references in the article, along with any "facts" which they support and can be shown to be false. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 21:53, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]