Talk:Dum Spiro Spero (album)

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Genre?

What is that "deathcore" doing there? There clearly is almost no deathcore in any way on the whole album, the only expection being "激しさと、この胸の中で絡み付いた灼熱の闇" which is only one song, and as far as I know, has never been enough to determine an album's genre if it's only one tenth (or less) of an album. I'm not trying to start a genre war, but I'm just saying it'd be better to put something like "progressive death metal" instead of "deathcore"? Of course, if "death metal + breakdowns = deathcore" is true in the eyes of Wikipedia, then it's deathcore... I understand the "progressive metal" and "progressive death metal" next to each other would look a bit weird, but do that kind of things really matter? Or just "avant-garde metal" and remove the whole other mess from it? SekoIdiootti (talk) 15:44, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, experimental metal would be the most acurate, but let's keep in mind that their style is way too unique to be categorized so easily, so we better leave something generic instead of many specific genres, unles there are sources for each of them. Victão Lopes ^{I hear you...} 23:25, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but what I meant was that only a small part of the album is deathcore, so having that there is a bit misleading. So it's a matter of Wikipedia's definition of deathcore as a genre; would bands like Aeon of Horus or Decrepit Depravity be labeled "deathcore" if they had pages here? If not, then why would Dir en grey be? I mean, of course all are completely different, but if either of the bands I linked fit under Wikipedia's definition of "deathcore", then I understand it, but... well, I'm not trying to argue or anything so I won't get banned, but you know, if a band is generally any kind of metal, has some hardcore punk things (like breakdowns or high vocals), they instantly become deathcore(/metalcore), it just seems weird to me, because most deathcore bands have all of these: simple song structures and riffs, pig squeals (or similar vocals), breakdowns, focus on "brutalness", consistent "flow". Dir en grey (at least on this album) have only one of those things, but even the "breakdowns" in some of the tracks aren't really punk-influenced in the typical way. SekoIdiootti (talk) 10:10, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, deathcore is indeed unrelated with the band's sound. I agree it should be removed, and unlesse someone contests it, I feel like doing it soon... Victão Lopes ^{I hear you...} 23:31, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Genre again

What makes the Apeshit site a reliable source? According to their "contact" page they are "looking for professional, trustworthy, and knowledgeable music fans who are passionate about covering music.", suggesting that are a fan-run resource, which fails WP:RS. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:06, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]