Talk:Duffy (singer)/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Comparisons with others

Under the sub-title, "The New Amys", Adam Thompson wrote in The Times on 30 December 2007 that "Duffy, Gabriella Cilmi and Adele lead the charge to be the next Winehouse. First sightings seem to indicate that they are all bright-eyed innocents with bags of talent — a familiar starting point, no?" Duffy herself dislikes being referred to as "the new Dusty Springfield". She said at first she did not understand the comparisons to Springfield and believes the comparisons with others or putting her in a movement is "a gimmick" and noted that "nobody is replaceable". Singer-songwriter Alison Goldfrapp said while Duffy has a great voice, she was trained to sound essentially like Amy Winehouse as part of a business plan, mistakenly believing that Duffy had attended the Brit School. Noel Gallagher of Oasis has a similar perspective. By 2009 people had stopped referring to Duffy as the "New Amy" or "New Dusty" a prospect that is a "bit more frightening because before I had certain references but now it's just me on my own".

British singer Estelle said that she does not agree with those who describe Duffy and Adele as soul singers but that she is happy that they have been successful. In North America, Duffy is seen as part of a recent wave of British singers or "British invaders" consisting of females with a unique take on writing and performing songs. Motown has been seen as an influence in this wave.

On 1 February 2009 The Times Encyclopedia of modern music named her album Rockferry an "Essential" Blue Eyed Soul recording. Albums by Amy Winehouse and Adele were also named as essential Blue Eyed Soul recordings in the "recent" category.

References

Everything above here^^^^^ is anonymous. It’s also largely negative. Strange coincidence. Boscaswell talk 02:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Artistry section - overwhelmingly negative

I haven’t previously on Wikipedia come across (a) a section titled ‘Artistry’ or (b) anything so overwhelmingly negative. The section is very similar to all the stuff in the ‘Comparisons with others’ section on this Talk page, which is completely anonymous. I think I can smell fish. Anyone would think that she’s a nobody, yet her first album has a 4* review in Allmusic, which states that it’s better than Amy Winehouse’s first offering. Changes are coming... Boscaswell talk 02:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I’ve deleted the inflammatory sideswiping. Boscaswell talk 09:06, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

The Instagram revelations. In the lede or not?

These were put into the ‘Personal life’ section fairly quickly and then polished up there. Then another editor, Tadmeister (2 edits), jumped in, I imagine without reading any further, and added them as the last para of the lede. That in itself is not a difficult mistake to make, but... The question is, should they be in the lede? Can we arrive at a consensus? I’m not so sure, not yet anyway, Kind Tennis Fan isn’t either. Boscaswell talk 03:14, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't think it belongs in the lede, at this stage at least. If, a few years down the line, the assault ends up being the thing for which she is best known (and I sincerely hope this doesn't become the case) then there may be a valid argument for including it there: but for the moment she's best known for being a successful musician, not for being the victim of a crime. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 10:53, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Boscaswell for trimming the Instagram revelations from the lede to two sentences. Prior to your edit I felt it was a bit too much detail in the lede for this. With the shorter version, personally I think it's ok now to include. The first three paragraphs in the lede are rightly about her career. Her Instagram annoucement, which has been widely reported, gives an explanation for her extended hiatus. There could be further developments on this in the future. We don't know at this stage when the crime took place, if the police were contacted, and if so what has been the outcome of an investigation. But for the time being, I think having two sentences in the lede for her explanation of the extended hiatus is ok to include. Regards, Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 11:17, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the input! I've not included it in the newly-slimmed-down lede, as it definitely doesn't deserve to take up space in that. I took the example of David Gray's lede, which again is one para only. Coincidentally, both Duffy and Gray spent some of their childhood in north Pembs.

There is soooo much detail in the career section! It needs a lot of work. And then there's the Artistry section - I think it had been used by some nasty people to do her down, so that stuff went yesterday. All the best... Boscaswell talk 04:21, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

The Instagram revelations/Abduction ordeal - in lede? (2)

I feel that in view of the info given in her April Instagram post (drugged and held captive for 4 week! and her acknowledging that it led to her lost decade) I feel that there is a much stronger case now for it to be added as a 1 sentence summary at the end of the lede. It’s certain to remain a very significant part of her life from now on. Boscaswell talk 10:33, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

We still know very little about these supposed events. --Ef80 (talk) 13:36, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Endorsements

Adverts

In August 2008 Duffy appeared in a advertisement in Fashion Rocks Magazine for Nivea endorsing their new line of skin care and body care products.

Duffy has been named the "star" of a multi-million pound European Diet Coke advertising campaign, which was launched on ITV immediately following the Brit Awards on 18 February, 2009. Duffy, who is a heavy drinker of the product, is scheduled to appear in a series of 30 and 60 second adverts with other young women. The ad was criticised for setting a bad example to young people because she is seen riding a racing bicycle at night, without lights or reflectors - acts which are unlawful. In the advert she sings the classic song I've Gotta Be Me.

References

Charity

Duffy recorded a cover of Paul McCartney's James Bond theme song "Live and Let Die". It was used on the War Child charity album entitled Heroes, which was released on 16 February 2009. McCartney, who hand picked Duffy to do the cover in the Spring of 2008, said that Duffy's version "is great - I was really impressed". Ben Knowles, director of the project, described Duffy's cover as a "really stripped bare, northern soul version".

Illegal music downloads

Duffy says that she does not mind people illegally downloading her music because she believes most people who do are kids who cannot afford the CDs and will buy them when they get older.

References

Crikey! Are you doubting her word on this? I can’t see any problem a sentence beginning with something along the lines of: “In early 2020 Duffy stated on Instagram that she had been abducted, drugged for four weeks, taken to a foreign country and raped, and that she spent the next almost ten years completely alone.” Boscaswell talk 22:34, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

whilst o appreciate that at the moment and quite possibly forever all we have to go on is what she says, but I can’t really see any problem with something like the following, since there is a huge gap in her output and it is how she explains it. It’s a bloody good reason! Here goes: “In early 2020 Duffy stated on social media and her website that she had been captured, drugged over a period of four weeks, abducted to a foreign country and raped, and that for the next nearly ten years she was completely alone.” Boscaswell talk 22:47, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stone Ocean

Duffy's song, "Distant Dreamer", is used for the end credits of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stone Ocean. Should we: a) Make a Wikipedia article for "Distant Dreamer" and put the above information in? b) Add the information to Duffy's Wikipedia page? or c) Not add it anywhere? I believe A is the best option, but I want to see what others think, and how correct my prediction of a wall of "I think C is the right answer" is.

Aquaticsans (talk) 01:13, 3 December 2021 (UTC)