Talk:Duchy of Krnov

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No consensus, not moved. Courcelles 02:20, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Duchy of Krnov → Duchy of Jägerndorf — According to WP:NCGN the widely accepted historical English name should be used, and the name should reflect cultural or political dominance. The cultural and political dominance was German, since the local society was Germanized during the Ostsiedlung in the 13th and 14th century. And Google Books, restricted to English, gives these results:

"Duchy of Krnov" 9 hits [1]
"Duke of Krnov" 1 hit [2]

Total: 10

"Duchy of Jägerndorf" 386 hits [3]
"Duke of Jägerndorf" 264 hits [4]

Total: 650 --Karasek (talk) 07:12, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Against. Duchy of Jägerndorf - 11 900 ghits, Duchy of Krnov 126 000 ghits (ten times more). --Yopie (talk) 11:26, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

1. WP:NCGN doesn't ask for a random Google search but for Google Scholar and Google Books, i.e. scholarly sources.

2. according to WP:NCGN the name has to reflect the cultural or political dominance, and Krnov doesn't. Karasek (talk) 15:37, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Again, the hits for "Duchy of Jägerndorf" are for 19th century sources. Things have changed. You can't turn back the clock here as much as some might wish. We use modern names.Volunteer Marek (talk) 08:50, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But history has not changed (doing this is propaganda). This is an article not about the current situation but on a historical political subject. Therefore, the language should reflect the historical language use. On this 19th century Google Books is a better source than google hits which are present-biased.--Tino Cannst (talk) 15:32, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]