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Overview

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Posted up a basic overview and entry for Dublin Pride. Will update and expand the article over the coming weeks. Martin. --Martin-09-DP (talk) 23:11, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dont delete this entry

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Dublin Pride is massive volunteer festival. We use a corporate private limited indemnified structure because of the accountability standards that it presents but also because its limited structure means that volunteers are not personally responsible from potential losses that could arise.

Other pride cities already have substantial pages. See London Pride and so on. This article is modelled on the entry from London Pride. If their pages are justified and so should ours.

Note the extensive links in the article describing the festival and its importance. Note that these are just a selection of links and further searchs will produce much much more information on the festival.

Martin--Martin-09-DP (talk) 23:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Have to say, despite a few issues which I will come back to, that I don't think it is spam. There are issues: linking to the volunteer form is a bit "adverty" and there are too many primary sources from the Dublin Pride website, sourcing information which could be easily sourced elsewhere. Using the news stories as sources would be preferable and they are there. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:27, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info.

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Thanks for the info there. I thought the volunteer link was a nice idea! Again to restate this we are non profit. But I do get your point on it being adverty, but its non-commercial, in the sense were not advertising a product or service per se.

Id like it to stay but its your site i guess. So if you want me to take it out i will. Its not grounds for a complete deletion of the article IMO. Martin--Martin-09-DP (talk) 23:32, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not my site .... LOL ...., but as I don't think that the article meets the critera for a speedy deletion (A 26 year festival that has major news coverage really isn't a speedy), I have removed the speedy tag. I'll do a bit more editing on the page in a few minutes to try and iron out a few issues. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:39, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree. I made the speedy deletion tag in error, and I apologise for it. I did, however, remove the "Volunteers" section from the article as that is construed as wikispam and hence cannot be included; Wikipedia is not for soliciting volunteers for an event, regardless of what it is in the mainspace. Again, sorry for the error. MuZemike 23:44, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • (edit conflict) No prob. Yeah, the volunteers section was a bit of a problem. There is an external link to the Pride website. Was juggling things offline there for a few minutes, so I'll go through the article and see what sources in the various newslinks can be moved to proper references. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Thanks for all your help guys.--Martin-09-DP (talk) 23:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To address a specific point. Being a non-profit makes no difference, you can advertise yourself/promote your cause/whatever without money being a factor. We simply don't do that, take a look at things like neutral point of view, external link standards etc. Remember this is an encyclopedia which endeavours to document in balance with the general world view of things, be those views pro, critical or otherwise. --82.7.40.7 (talk) 12:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have made some grammer edits

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Have made some grammer and text edits.

Sources

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Media Links 2008
Early history
Irish Times
Irish Independent
PinkNews

The above were deleted but very useful to this article. -- Banjeboi 17:12, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Err, yeah... links deleting..., that was me :). I removed them from the article as a bare set of links shouldn't be in article space. Some of the links have already been integrated into the article as sources, and more of them probably might be useful as sources, although there is duplication in that many of the news articles, where they are just reporting the parades and festival, say much the same thing. (And in addition, it is better to use those article written after the event rather than those written in advance of the event.)
A couple of the links, while interesting in their own right, don't actually mention the Dublin Pride event or mention it in passing; where they did mention Dublin Pride, the mentions were in a "What, when, where" context and these were already available in other sources.
What would be helpful would be more sources on the early days of the event, to avoid any drift in the article towards concentrating on more recent pride events of the 21st century, rather than the event as a whole over the last 26 years. Of course, there are going to be more sources on the more recent Dublin Pride events, and they are easily found, but there is a danger that might skew the article towards just being a year by year list of events rather than concentrating on the event as a whole. There should be more on the development of the event from the one-day march in 1983 (and of course, the reasons for that march) to the festival today, rather than just a brief summary of each year's event. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 19:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In due time. Pride articles have to survive first then get filled out. Eventually it will be a sortable table overviwing the years with theme, attendance figures and parade marshalls. -- Banjeboi 21:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly I don't think that survival is an issue. The event in general is the largest LGBT event in Ireland (island of); the parade, both in the days when the parade was the only event and later as part of the larger 10 day event was, and is, the subject of non-trivial news coverage (random pick of a news story on the main RTÉ news bulletin from 2008) and the parade is now the second largest parade in Dublin, after the Paddy's Day parade, with multiple sources out there to support notabilty. I can't see the article not surviving an AFD or any other deletion procedure. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 22:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, now, yea. Hopefully we'll never have to find out! -- Banjeboi 01:22, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing and references (particularly for the 1980s and 1990s)

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Just a few thoughts: There shouldn't be a huge problem in sourcing information for the later events from online sources, particularly for the 21st Century, as they are always covered in the media, but from what little opportunity I have had to look for sources, I think that sourcing for the early days will need people with access to contemporary print and other media sources. I'm not really going out on a limb in thinking that there would be a lot of sources out there, particularly for the events around the time of decriminalisation in 93; while not being an expert on the subject, I did crack open a newspaper at least once or twice in the 1990s, so I know the sources exist somewhere, so if anyone has access to any...? FlowerpotmaN·(t) 17:59, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pride parades, especially once they hit 10 year anniversary, invariably have "history of" documentations. Even if self-published it can help our readers understand the subject. Even if it's unrefernced to start it would likely help as 25 years on there's little doubt someone did something back then. We want some interesting tidbits and milestones and those will take time to find and write well. -- Banjeboi 01:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have access to some Irish newspaper archives. I'll see what I can do! Ebelular (talk) 12:46, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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