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dua lipa isn't english. she's albanian and british from having a british passport. she has no english ancestry or links to english cultural values at all. 31.94.7.148 (talk) 21:41, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"English" refers to both citizenship and ethnicity. Even though England is not an independent country, it is a constituent country within the United Kingdom. Some people identify more closely with England specifically than with Britain as a whole. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 16:21, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
English isn’t a citizenship. English is an ethnicity. Nationality referred to the citizenship of a country. Therefore, Dua Lipa is a British National/citizen, of Albanian descent.
Anyone born in England, Wales, Scotland, or Northern Ireland makes their citizenship British. Only people with English heritage (I.e. me) are English in blood and British by citizenship.
Citizenship and nationality do not perfectly coincide, though it is often challenging to disentangle citizenship, nationality, and ethnicity. In the case of the United Kingdom, although people are British citizens and nationals, there is also regional identification of nationality in the constituent countries.
According to MOS:ETHNICITY, we should take into account regional nationality. British nationality is fairly vague as many, if not most, people have strong claims to regional identity. Because Lipa's biographical and career details are specifically connected to England, "English" is used in the lede. RedBaron12 (talk) 02:21, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Putting her as an “Albanian and English singer” is very misleading. Instead of putting “she is an Albanian singer born in England” or “is a British singer of Albanian descent” putting she is “English” misleads people believing she is both English and Albanian. Dua lipa is very proud of being Albanian, not sure why you can’t change it. Ndndndpo (talk) 15:17, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The logic does not make sense. You are talking about a person who was born in England, raised, educated, embraced the English norms, culture, religion, and way of life. How can you call a person who was born, raised, educated, and embraced the English norms, culture, religion, and way of life Albanian? This notion is ridiculous.
The fact that she was born, raised, educated, embraced the English norms, culture, religion, and way of life makes her English not Albanian.
She is not Albanian.
I have not heard of any individual being born Albania and being as successful and famous as she is.
The reason why she was able to use her talents and become so successful and famous is because she was born in England, raised, educated, embraced the English norms, culture, religion, and way of life. She is English and not Albanian. Please drop her as being Albanian. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:DD77:C486:BBB1:CE9 (talk) 05:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Encyclopedia Britannica is a left leaning platform. It has so much misleading articles. Just because EB says something it does doesn’t mean that it is true.
There is not such a thing as “Albania ethnicity” or “English ethnicity”. The English are mostly Germanic tribes. Albanians are a mix of Italian, Greek, Slavic and Turkish tribes if you bother to study history. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:AC70:FE07:532F:CF4F (talk) 02:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dua was born in UK but is Yugoslavian. Albanians claim many personalities to be of their own including George Washington, Winston Churchill, Albert Einstein, John Cena, Mother Theresa and even George Kastrioti Skanderbeg. I cannot believe Wikipedia allowing these sorts of misinformation. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:C48B:1A26:9389:1698 (talk) 23:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dua was born in UK but is Yugoslavian. Albanians claim many personalities to be of their own including George Washington, Winston Churchill, Albert Einstein, John Cena, Mother Theresa and even George Kastrioti Skanderbeg. I cannot believe Wikipedia allowing these sorts of misinformation. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:C48B:1A26:9389:1698 (talk) 23:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
per MOS:ETHNICITY, Wikipedia had no preference when it comes to describing someone as either English or British, and while there are many articles that describe English people with multiple citizenship as British rather than English, I don't see a problem with this in particular, especially whey the word "and" is used to avoid implying her ethnicity. Inpops (talk) 17:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely true, what a way to describe “Ethnicity”!
Let’s straighten the facts. Whether she is “British” or “English” is up to the Britannic's government, laws, traditions and its people given that she was born in England, but she is not Albanian. Those who claim her as Albanian are simply throwing gasoline to a part of the world that is already in flames.
Now, she might consider herself Albanian, but that does not mean that she is Albanian. Whether she is Albanian or not must be decided by the facts, and the fact is that she simply is not Albanian. Calling her Albanian is not true and that part of this article must be dropped. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:AC70:FE07:532F:CF4F (talk) 03:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no such thing as 'English citizenship' and there is no legal entity called 'English nationality' (although England is, indeed, a nation.) The description should read 'British and Albanian' if it wants to be cast-iron factually and unimpeachable ideologically.
The user who wrote this - "Britain is an island, not a nation" - has missed the further (and only salient) fact i. e. that Britain is a *state*, and thus issues passports and grants legal nationality status. No-one can legally dish out 'English nationality' or an English passport. (Sadly...😁) 2A01:CB19:38F:BD00:FCD7:E582:89CF:F905 (talk) 20:49, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly, indeed.
"i. e. that Britain is a *state*, and thus issues passports and grants legal nationality status" is incorrect. Passports are issued by the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain is made up of England, Scotland and Wales. There is no entity called "Britain" that issues passports, as that would exclude the Northern Ireland part of the UK. 2A00:23C8:8F8A:B700:7D1B:C02:466B:66A0 (talk) 02:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I regard it as highly offensive that non-Brits should have the brass neck to tell English Brits who is or isn't English. Those commenters display arrogance as well as ignorance. Dua Lipa simply is NOT 'English'. She is British by virtue of holding British nationality.
They are also Londoners, so why not say Londoner? If you are talking about nationality then she has Albanian and British passports. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.149.8.7 (talk) 16:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know she even has British citizenship? or are you just assuming? as the UK doesn't have jus soil citizenship, so the children of refugees even if they are born in the UK aren't automatically British citizens. If her parents were from Kosovo she may have Serbian and Albanian citizenship and just indefinite leave to remain in the UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.149.8.7 (talk) 16:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
M.Bitton this request is not about removing "Albanian" from the lead, to make such a change you have to reach a new consenus, as the current one is the WP:STABLE version reached through consenus here in talk page. – Βατο (talk) 09:44, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know what this request is about, but the claim that she's an "Albanian singer" is baseless, that's why I removed it. What consensus are you referring to? M.Bitton (talk) 09:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Recently someone removed Albanian from the lead and though it was reverted back, I also think it should be removed. Lipa may have stated multiple times she feels proud for being Albanian, owning Albanian citizenship since 2022 and having done things for Kosovo such as the festival she annually organises but still, 90% of her life has been spent in the UK, besides her career so I think calling her only English in the lead and the relevant categories but stating she is an owner of Albanian citizenship both in Personal Life section and the categories' one would be more precise. 62.74.24.151 (talk) 02:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per MOS:NATIONALITY, the lead should include the nationality, citizenship, ethnicity, etc. of which the subject generally or mostly identifies with and which is notable in relation to the subject or what helped to make them notable. Lipa has acknowledged her Albanian heritage many times (which holds more weight here) and her holding dual English and Albanian citizenship (which is not that uncommon) is notable and was widely covered by the media (with given citations in the article). Just because you think one ought to have more preference than another cannot mean we should disregard her background as an Albanian, even though she did live mostly in the UK. It's not like she just obtained Albanian citizenship out of nowhere. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:30, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I already mentioned above, all of her life and musical achievements are mostly associated with the UK. Ava Max has also stated she feels 100% Albanian here, yet all sources describe her as simply American. Rita Ora was born in Kosovo, has decribed herself as Kosovan, yet she is referred as British in the lead. One can list many examples here so it's not like how the subject feels, it's more like how much they have contributed to that specific country of citizenship (and if we have to take something for granted she has contributed for Kosovo, not for Albania, i.e. two different countries). 62.74.24.143 (talk) 05:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMDB, People.com, [1], [2], [3] Indicatively some sources that call Lipa solely English/British (with one being from a Kosovo-related website). 06:53, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Done Removed "Albanian" from the lead (per MOS:CONTEXTBIO). M.Bitton (talk) 09:35, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done:: She is technically a YouTuber, see article. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 23:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
