Talk:Drive Me Crazy (song)
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[edit]Why you do propose that this song is not notable, @Hayman30:? Are you even familiar with this artist?Nqr9 (talk) 13:35, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- I am not and I don't have to be. This song failed to rank on multiple national charts and did not receive significant coverage from multiple reliable sources. Hayman30 (talk) 13:36, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Hayman30: You are misinterpreting the notability guidelines. They do not specify that a release has to chart on two or more national charts to be notable. If that were the case, a song that reached #1 on a country's national chart, but charted nowhere else, would not be deemed notable. Surely you would not agree with that? Granted, it only peaked at #72, but there is no stipulation on how high or low a single must chart for it to be deemed notable. ARIA, Australia's national chart compiler, publish a top 100 national sales-based chart, and this charted on it. While you are correct that you do not need to be familiar with an artist to establish notability, you assert that this release "did not receive significant coverage from multiple reliable sources," which implies that you are familiar with this work. The absence of such sources archived online is not in itself evidence that that a single did not receive 'significant coverage'. For example, the song was used in a scene in a 1992 episode of the Australian soap opera 'Home and Away', which is broadcast internationally. There were also articles about it in the Australian pop music magazine Smash Hits at the time. Peter Andre may not have achieved any commercial success in North America, which is where I (perhaps incorrectly) assume you are from, but he is well known as a celebrity in the United Kingdom; granted more for his personal life than his music these days. I am not a particular fan, and don't even remember how this song goes, but believe that it satisfies at least one of the notability criteria for both recordings and singles.Nqr9 (talk) 13:45, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not. To quote NSONGS, "...Has been ranked on national or significant music or sales charts". Plus, that "indicates only that a song may be notable, not that it is notable", let alone it merely charting in one country. The template only suggests that the song may not be notable, which in this case, is true. I would've went ahead and redirected the page if I'm certain that this song is not notable at all. Hayman30 (talk) 13:54, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Hayman30: You are misinterpreting the notability guidelines. They do not specify that a release has to chart on two or more national charts to be notable. If that were the case, a song that reached #1 on a country's national chart, but charted nowhere else, would not be deemed notable. Surely you would not agree with that? Granted, it only peaked at #72, but there is no stipulation on how high or low a single must chart for it to be deemed notable. ARIA, Australia's national chart compiler, publish a top 100 national sales-based chart, and this charted on it. While you are correct that you do not need to be familiar with an artist to establish notability, you assert that this release "did not receive significant coverage from multiple reliable sources," which implies that you are familiar with this work. The absence of such sources archived online is not in itself evidence that that a single did not receive 'significant coverage'. For example, the song was used in a scene in a 1992 episode of the Australian soap opera 'Home and Away', which is broadcast internationally. There were also articles about it in the Australian pop music magazine Smash Hits at the time. Peter Andre may not have achieved any commercial success in North America, which is where I (perhaps incorrectly) assume you are from, but he is well known as a celebrity in the United Kingdom; granted more for his personal life than his music these days. I am not a particular fan, and don't even remember how this song goes, but believe that it satisfies at least one of the notability criteria for both recordings and singles.Nqr9 (talk) 13:45, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't interpret "charts" there to mean that it must have charted on at least two significant charts to be notable; I think that is just how it was worded. I have seen many pages for singles that charted lower than #72, in only one country, that have their own page. Often, they will be a flop and/or early release from a notable artist, in which case this is.Nqr9 (talk) 14:12, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- I mean, peaking at 72 in Australia alone absolutely does not establish (or even suggest) notability. "There are lots of similar pages out there but they don't get tagged/redirected" does not justify your argument, I really couldn't understand why a shitload of editors tend to think this is a valid argument to bring up, especially in scenarios like this. Hayman30 (talk) 14:29, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Is it necessary to use that language? The tone of your posts and attitude regarding this suggest to me that you may be the kind of editor who goes around tagging articles for notability/deletion just because they don't meet your standards of what constitutes notability, rather than first establishing consensus or even discussing it on the article's talk page. You're the first editor to have had a problem with this article, and haven't addressed my other points about e.g. the exposure on an internationally broadcasted TV show watched by millions of people. Granted, that is not currently mentioned/cited in the article.Nqr9 (talk) 14:35, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- PS It's not as simple as looking at a single's peak on the chart to establish notability. For example, a Peter Allen song from 1980, "I Still Call Australia Home", peaked somewhere in the 60s upon its initial release from memory, in Australia only, but is a widely known song here today. It's not always as clear-cut as basing it on a chart position.Nqr9 (talk) 14:38, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Is it necessary to use that language? The tone of your posts and attitude regarding this suggest to me that you may be the kind of editor who goes around tagging articles for notability/deletion just because they don't meet your standards of what constitutes notability, rather than first establishing consensus or even discussing it on the article's talk page. You're the first editor to have had a problem with this article, and haven't addressed my other points about e.g. the exposure on an internationally broadcasted TV show watched by millions of people. Granted, that is not currently mentioned/cited in the article.Nqr9 (talk) 14:35, 1 May 2018 (UTC)