Talk:Dream Theater (album)

Dream Theater (album) was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
January 13, 2016	Good article nominee	Not listed
May 28, 2016	Good article nominee	Not listed

Current status: Former good article nominee

Albums

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Metal

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Tracklengths

The tracklengths and various lyrics have already leaked on Dream Theater forums. for example the lyrics to "The enemy inside" had leaked 4 weeks before its was released. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreamtheaterforums (talk • contribs) 02:13, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Forums are often deemed unreliable per WP:UGC. Victão Lopes ^Fala! 04:24, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Genre

This album is oriented to Djent. Should we write it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.39.242.157 (talk) 10:43, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree but still, have you got a reputable source for this? If so, you can write that down. --Λeternus ^(talk) 10:52, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Illumination Theory

Hey guys, can someone make a page for "Illumination Theory"? Like how we've got one for "Octavarium" or "Six degrees". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreamtheaterforums (talk • contribs) 03:51, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The song needs to meet WP:NSONGS in order to have an article. It doesn't appear to be the case here. Victão Lopes ^Fala! 13:47, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Illumination Theory 2

Do you think that we can add Illumination Theory to the singles section? It was released as a promotional single for Record Store Day, wasn't it? 209.56.159.12 (talk) 16:52, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Dream Theater (album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Retrohead (talk · contribs) 19:50, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the review.

Intro

~~"the same location" means the same studio, the same city, or both?~~
~~It would be useful to mention the exact chart position, since you wrote it was the band's second highest charting album.~~

Background

~~Is it better to replaced "wholly integrated" with "included"?~~
~~I don't think I understand the first sentence from the third paragraph. Can you copyedit it to make it clearer?~~

Composition

~~Guitar World should be italicized, and omit Petrucci's name because he was introduced in the previous section~~
~~I see only the lyrics from "The Enemy Inside" are explained, but from the other tracks aren't. Do we have material about them?~~

Release

~~Have you got second week sales, or sales in other countries except US, or maybe worldwide sales?~~
~~It's useful to include Metacritic ranking, to know the album's overall critical reception.~~
~~Since the maximum limit for critic reviews is 10, you can expand the prose with additional reviews.~~
~~PopMatters doesn't use star-rating system.~~
~~About the supporting tour, do you know what songs were featured in the setlist?~~

Charts

~~The charts should feature the name of the company that compiles the list. For example, Australia should be Australian Albums Chart, and so on.~~
~~The personnel is done properly, no complaints on that part.~~

References

~~Do not use big letters in the titles, as you did in refs 3, 15, 33, and few others.~~
~~Are there other sources available apart from John Petrucci's Facebook profile? I see it is used several times, but social media is generally not recommended.~~

I see the nominator has been sporadically active on Wikipedia lately, so I'll be archiving this.--Retrohead (talk) 10:49, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Made the easy edits. Will try and get the rest done over the next few days. Thanks!--Ktmartell (talk) 20:12, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I finished the revisions. A few notes from me:

I really struggled with the album charts, especially the non-English ones, and to be honest am not 100% sure I got the right names in every instance. If it's cleaner, I'd be happy to just remove all non-US charts.
Replaced as many Facebook references as I could, and I don't think there are too many left. I believe those sources are OK as long as they are from verified accounts?
No Metacritic page for this album, strangely, but added another review and expanded prose a bit

--Ktmartell (talk) 18:01, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Dream Theater (album)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: DannyMusicEditor (talk · contribs) 18:24, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm DannyMusicEditor, and I would like to review this article. I saw good progress with its initial nomination and was disappointed when it failed. I'll do my best to give a fair review, this is only my second GA review and the first I've done for an album. It looks like much has been dealt with, and that can only be a good thing. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 18:24, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Official taskbox

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
I'm finding this writing to be a little on the unencyclopedic tone. I think this article would do great with a copyedit. There's some stuff that I think would need clarified. I could list you several examples if you do so request.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
I'm not entirely sure if all of these are reliable. Some of the references used for reviews I've never even heard of before. I'm listening to your arguments, but if I've never seen them on any other album GA (which I've seen metal album GAs, I work with them), then I'm not confident passing it without some discussion or clarification. Also, I see you set all the accessdates in British date formatting (default). The subject is Canadian so you should write it like the rest of the ones in the article. I wouldn't fail for that, but I wouldn't pass either.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Only complaint I have is the caption on Berklee. The reference at the end should explain some of these relations in the prose.
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

@Ktmartell: You've done a great job and shown a lot of devotion to Dream Theater's albums. I commend you for your work. This is close, but no cigar - you can't complete this review within a reasonable amount of time. The prose issues are just too many in number, and once you get it copyedited, I'd even be willing to re-review this. The other fails shouldn't be hard, I hope. Again, if you'd like examples of my complaints, please just ask. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 19:42, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@DannyMusicEditor: Yes, please provide as many examples as possible for each failure. Thanks.--Ktmartell (talk) 18:17, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]