Talk:Downtempo

Very first sentence makes a confusing comparison (less *"earthy" sound than trip hop*)

The first sentence states that: Downtempo is also known as triphop,

• but* is is not trip hop.

That left me confused.

2001:4C80:40:539:7178:9C1C:9712:4152 (talk) 15:58, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

External Links

The external links currently within this article are ALL to be considered spam and should be avoided as per Wikipedia External Links Polic. None of the below sites provide any reference nor encyclopedic material relevant to the topic of Downtempo music. Radio stations and sites that promote and sell relevant music are specifically to be avoided from listing. Please stop fighting this typical war, and instead read the policy referenced above. -asmadeus 22:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

• calmscape.com - Web radio station. Includes reviews for artists and releases promoting the content. Also can be classified as a blog. Includes a music shop.
• groovera.com - Web radio station. Not a single article relevant to the style.
• properlychilled.com - community, blog, and a store

Asmadeus, your opinions of these External Links is not true nor are THEY encyclopedic. Furthermore, there is no "topical war" (correcting your misnomer "typical") and reverting vandalism by an IP address that DID INDEED spam the article previously does not denote a "war". So why are you trying to start one?

First, your statement that none of these these links provide any encyclopedic material is false. All three of the linked sites are DEDICATED TO DOWNTEMPO music and if you truly knew the FIRST THING about downtempo music - or even truly CARED about it - you would have immediately recognized the relevance of these links from your own personal experience with them. As far as the "radio stations" go, how would we be better off leaving examples of downtempo music up to the uninformed imagination? And furthermore, how could someone who has never contributed ONE IOTA to this article suppose that this Wikipedia article is the authoritative source for information on this musical style and that these websites have no value in helping to define what downtempo music IS?

I appreciate that you have made considerable contribution elsewhere in Wikipedia and I recommend that you STICK WITH WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT. --Qazjaz 01:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Please maintain a cool-head and be civil in your comments on Wikipedia. It might be wise for any editor with any doubts about spam links to study Wikipedia:Spam which is policy and not optional. It's not a matter of who knows what about a particular genre of music. If you find a good quote within an article then cite it, and reference it in the style/s seen all over Wikipedia. In short do not add a link becasue it happens to be a good radio station in your opinion, that plays Downtempo. Regards. Escaper7 10:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the above comment. All opinions belong on the Talk page. Sites dedicated to a topic does not mean that they belong in the encyclopedic article. That's what Google is for. Searching for "downtempo radio" should be sufficient to bring up the above referenced sites (groovera.com appears as the fourth result). If you want to provide examples of downtempo sound, create samples and upload them to commons, as all the other music styles do (see Drum and Bass). Your response is exactly what I was trying to avoid, and referencing to the 'typical' war included months of reverts and changes with only the above links. As far as for my 'credibility' - I am a Record Label DJ for Native State Records - Bluetech, Shulman, etc - so yes, I do have plenty of experience in the style. -asmadeus 14:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, as you can see from my recent edits, I have contributed to the article now, most heavily than others by now, while properly referencing and citing all sources. I have also tried to bring back the links I removed by finding content within the sites that was relevant to be cited within the article. Calmscape contained some unique and exclusive artist interviews, but none of the artists were notable by Wikipedia standards (i.e. could not even find entries on them within Wikipedia). I can also claim Groovera.com to be completely a SPAM link, since it attributes rights to Qaz Media, LLC. Hmmm... What a coincidence, Mr. Qazjaz... -asmadeus

Differences with chill out

Are these two genres really distinct or is it just some sort of a question of opinion? Sure, the article argues that they are distinct (if overlapping), but doesn't explain the difference in any way. Someone please do that. --Tropylium 17:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

examples?

This article is desperate for an organized list of downtempo artists, filled with internal links and such--separate from the History section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.204.93.168 (talk) 03:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Chill-out music

Two articles on the exact same subject, just listed under alias names. Believe that "Downtempo" would be the correct terminology to use since it is identified as an actual genre in the music world. TTTommy111 (talk) 04:39, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Oppose. I don't support a merge because chill-out music is an umbrella term which includes not just downtempo but other genres such as ambient or acoustic. - Shiftchange (talk) 07:29, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Support – This is basically an AKA for downtempo. Also, ambient music has been around for far longer than the early 1990s, when chill-out was developed. Lachlan Foley (talk) 03:01, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

But technically it isn't at all. This isn't a dictionary, therefore common use of "chill-out music" as a description of downtempo must be discounted. The general term chill-out includes music with no percussion, where-as downtempo always has a measurable tempo and other specific characteristics. - Shiftchange (talk) 23:30, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Support The distinction is not clear in the literature.--SabreBD (talk) 09:54, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Weak oppose Aria1561 (talk) 21:57, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Oppose None of the sources say the terms are synonymous.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 17:41, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Support Downtempo and chill out music basically mean the same thing. Wasabi,the,one (talk) 20:53, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment - It's a tricky one. Based on what I'm seeing in the sources, my suggestion is to rename and rework Chill-out music into an article about chill-out rooms, for which the "genre" is named. The extent to which it is a genre is unclear. Slate says "The truth is, chillout is less a musical genre than an ideal—a vague state of New Age serenity" and goes on to say "Chillout really is just the latest brand name for easy listening, a genre that gets reinvented every decade or so." Other sources, like the Washington Post treat it as synonymous with downtempo. It seems it is a genre of other genres, or music brought together contextually rather than through clearly delineated musical qualities. I've seen some other sources say it's another term for downtempo, and others say e.g. "primarily downtempo" or name downtempo along with a few others as the sort of music that fits into the feeling of chillout music. Making the article about the phenomenon of the room that has a particular musical feeling to it, that some people have turned into a quasi-genre, seems to me the best way to draw a line. A merge made sense at first to me, but the overlap doesn't seem perfect, and I see the possibility for separate subjects. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:35, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Oppose per above comment. Aleccat 00:07, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Closing, given weak consensus not to merge; or at least, no consensus for the merge and a stale proposal. Klbrain (talk) 02:18, 22 September 2017 (UTC)